On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:



On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote:



On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out

wrote:



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I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the

handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely

silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.

Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.





hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before

they pulled the trigger?

What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?

Traffic altercations? Blah blah.



Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who

had a legal gun?





Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds

in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get

their hands all bloody.



That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find

another way.







I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on

drugs.

Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...

problem solved.



I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.

So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.

Slowly.



I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to

use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means.



Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban

on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way.



Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study





Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States

with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)



High-Gun States Low-Gun States



Population 39 million 40 million



Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%



Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606



Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446



Total Suicide 14,809 8,052







People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you

bet? Do you need an address to send it to?



So where is the '6 times' bull****?



In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many

suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****?

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High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Where are the "Moderate Gun States" and the rest of the US populace?

Surely the US and it's properties have more that 79 people in it's citizenry.