On 6/3/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:00:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/3/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 19:38:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/3/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:33:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:00:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


There probably are a couple of posters here who are interested in seeing
a can mounted on a Ruger Mk. III.

http://tinyurl.com/qhq5wyj

It's a SilencerCo "Sparrow" silencer. The pistol is a bull barrel Ruger
Mk. III 512. I sent it off to Volquartsen to have the barrel threaded,
and for installation of the "full" Volquartsen modification kit.

For now, I'm using CCI "Standard" .22LR ammo, a round that is subsonic
and has enough "oomph" to cycle the pistol and my .22LR semi-auto rifle.
CCI's "Quiet" ammo doesn't have enough of a charge to cycle these firearms.

There are some name-brand "suppressor" rounds out there, supposedly, but
I've only found one source for CCI's rounds, and they are grossly
overpriced.

The loudest noise you hear when firing these rounds is the sound of the
firearms' bolt cycling.

When I applied for the necessary federal tax stamp, I was advised to use
a trust on the forms, because for several unknown reasons, the ATF
approves "trust" applications quicker than "individual" applications.
From what I have read on various firearms sites, that is indeed the
case, but no one seems to know why. When you get your stamp back, it is
"mounted" on a form. The stamp is greenish blue or blueish green, and
the ATF'er who processed it writes the serial number of the silencer on
the stamp, dates it, and initials it. You have to have the stamp or a
photocopy of it on you when you are out with the silencer.

The question - who does the photo and the gun belong to?

Would you have us believe it's yours?

Good laugh.

I have no problem with the idea of owning a can but it always points
out the ridiculous levels government regulations have wrought.
This is $20 worth of metal and machining and you are getting close to
a grand by the time you get your can and make the government happy.
We are one of the few countries that even consider the can as the part
of your gun that needs the regulation.



The stamp is $200. You can easily build your own suppressor from on-line
kits for under $50, and make it legal with the stamp.

Makes you wonder why the commercial ones are $300 to $700 depending on
design and caliber then doesn't it?

BTW you can make very serviceable ones for $10 or less, depending on
what is in your junk box.



The one I have has a few interesting features and might cost $50 to
manufacture, finish, assemble, and package, but, of course, sells for
multiples of that. But that isn't much different these days for many
manufactured products.

If you like the idea of a silencer, they make sense for rimfire
calibers. I've "heard" a silencer used with subsonic AR ammo, and
thought the noise was still fairly substantial.

Rifles are "suppressed" at best. If you are a sniper, it probably
keeps people from looking right at you right away but it is far from
silent.
The 22RF can get real quiet and I have seen 9mm cans that worked
surprisingly well with subsonic ammo.

We still have a strange regulation regimen. In New Zealand, anyone
with a gun license, can buy a can for it. We seem to think a quiet gun
is deadlier than a loud one at the level as a machine gun (same form,
fee, investigation etc)
Most of the price is simply that these are not mass marketed and they
come with a huge regulatory cost., Your government at work.



What's the deal with a "New Zealand gun license"?