On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:46:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:35:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 22:04:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 10:58:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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I had a lady coworker ask me about older muscle cars. Her son was going
to get his licence soon, and wanted to get a 60's to 70's "muscle car"
to drive. My advice to her was get him a late model Corolla or similar.
That old car wouldn't have ABS, airbags, crumple zones, door beams,
etc. Maybe not even shoulder belts. Plus the brakes and handling
aren't very good unless you do some resto-modding.

I like my old Torino, but I also respect it and its shortcomings. No
way a 17 year old should be driving something like that for a daily.



No question. The classics are stylish (something new cars lack) but
they don't come close to the handling and safety of new cars. Plus,
the "muscle" car is a bit of a misnomer today. The
old rule of "there's no replacement for displacement" really doesn't
apply anymore. Some of the new cars with small, turbocharged engines
can out perform some of the old muscle cars of yesterday.

That said though, the low RPM torque of a GM 454 ci engine and
some of the Ford and MOPAR big blocks just has to be experienced to
appreciate.

No doubt about that. If I hit the lotto and decided I wanted an old
60s car, the first thing I would do is drop a brand new "box motor" in
it.
Judy really wants a 50s pickup truck but she wants the sheet metal
dropped down on a new Lincoln chassis. ;-)


The Glaciers National Park Red Bus tours are 1930 White touring busses
dropped on an Ford E450 chassis. I think Yellowstone’s busses are he same.

I got the impression this was an older vehicle when I looked under the
hood
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg




Do not remember when Ford volunteered to refurb the busses. The frame on
one split, and so they had to,pull,on the units. Was worse than Ford
figured, so they basically dropped it on an E450 chassis according to the
driver. There is a note on the side one we rode as to Ford and E450.

I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for. ;-)
There was a gang hanging around when he raised the hood.
I guess if I knew more about it I would have looked harder and you can
be sure I would have taken more pictures. It makes my wife nuts.
"What are you taking a picture of now"? ;-)


They will run on propane, but driver said none available on West Side of
Glacier.

I am actually getting to know about propane. If it was 1974 when
propane was cheaper than gas and available everywhere I would convert
everything I have (I looked at it then). The conversion is stupid
simple. It is just something similar to a SCUBA regulator looking at
manifold vacuum from the extra venturi you add. It is not unlike how a
carburetor works. If someone would give me the ECU flash for an EFI,
it would even be reasonable for a car if propane was cheaper.
My bet, the conversion on the White is about like the one on my 5.5KW
briggs.
I am really ****ed I did not elbow my way up to the front and take
some pictures.
I guess I am pussy whipped
When I was 30 that was an insult. In your 60-70s it is a compliment
;-)