"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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Shall not impede applies in a broader sense than in narrow
channels. It is stated in Rule 8 --- paracraph (f) (i) and
prefaced by the statement 'by any of these rules' which
means it is not limited to narrow channel situations. Shall
not impede applies to the pecking order.


Wrong - though amateaurs like you often think this. "A vessel that is required no to
impede" refers to vessels that in several of the rules (9 & 10 mainly, also CBD) are
required not to impede. It is very specific. This rule is give guidance for the case
where "shall not impede" and "shall keep out of the way of" seem to be at odds. It has no
bearing on our limited visibility discussion.


NOT SO. If this were the case Rule 8 would not state
"take early action to allow sufficient sea room for the
safe passage of the other vessel.

Sufficient sea room does not exist in a narrow channel so
that negates the 'narrow channel only' argument that
you seem to hold as the holy grail.

Shall not impede exists above and beyond narrow
channel situations. This is proven by the wording in
Rule eight paragraph (f) (i).

Shall not impede exists in all conditions of visibility.
This means shall not impede exists in fog. This
means the vessel that shall not impede is the burdened
vessel. This means there is a pecking order in fog.

You are wrong and you continue to be wrong because
you attempt to defend an erroneous position that cannot
be defended.

S.Simon