I've never said it can't happen, I've just never seen it. There is one at my
dock and I've seen them out in the harbor a few times, but never making any
headway.

One of the images from 25 years ago that I'll never forget is watching a boat
trying to come into Boston past Deer Island Light against a 2+ knot ebb. It
tacked back and forth across the channel, but never made any headway. This went
on for several hours, during which time I came in from a mile or so behind, and
having a little local knowledge, hugged close to the light, caught a reverse
eddy and scooted by. As I headed into Winthrop I watched the other boat, going
back and forth, not getting anywhere. It was a Venture 22, one of Macgregor's
early offerings.




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Jeff, now to be fair, I've seen them moving through
the water under sail alone on the SF bay. It's quite
a sight to see, and I'm always impressed when I
see one moving in that fashion. Same thing with
the venerable Hunter models. I find it incredible
that anyone would risk life and limb to do that.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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I have sailed our Hunter 19 in company with a MacGregor 26M (you could
tell by the red hull) several times. There is one in our marina. There
are couple others that regularly come and launch at the nearby ramp.
The
Hunter 19 easily could sail rings around the Mac 26M, in light air or
heavy, upwind or down. Actually, it's not so bad going downwind, but
it
appears difficult to steer with any degree of chop. I mean, maybe it's
not really but the skippers sure are working the wheel back & forth.

Jeff, this again suggests that you need some basic education regarding
elementary principles of logic. - You seem to think that this anecdote
of yours proves that the Mac 26M is slower than the Hunter 19. It only
provides the experience of one sailor (you). What would be needed to
prove that the Mac 26M isn't as fast as the Hunter 19 is for experienced
sailors to sail several of each type of boat on several occasions under
various conditions. In other words, you have a very small sampling, and
you have no external controls, etc. - What's also interesting is how you
are getting all that experience sailing against Mac 26M's in view of the
fact that there the M's were only introduced last year, and there are
very few of them on the water, and further, that they never made a Mac
26M with a red hull. - Very strange, Jeff!


Hey Jim! That's Doug, I'm Jeff. I've also passed Mac 26X's a number of
times, but I've never noticed them moving through the water without the
help of
their engine. Of course, I usually see them in choppy harbor water - not
the
best place for such a light boat.