It is very complicated because the term victimless crime is
a non sequitur.
By definition if there is a crime there is a victim or it would
not be a crime. One can stretch and stretch and always find
a victim.
What if you cut down a tree. The tree is a victim? Is it
a crime to cut down a tree. Or does the tree have to be
owned by a human and the human becomes a victim before
cutting down of the tree becomes a crime?
My point is it is stupid to use liberal double speak to
attempt to help your cause. Calling smoking pot a
victimless crime plays right into the hands of the liberals
who demand pot remain illegal.
When you say smoking pot is a victimless crime they can
say it is a crime and they can go to extreme lengths to
find a victim so, in this manner, they prevail.
If libertarians and any other right thinking people
would stop using liberal double speak like victimless
crime they would have a much better chance of
getting their agenda accepted as reasonable.
Don't use the term victimless crime at all. Stop
playing the liberal PC and double speak game.
They will beat you every time as long as your
attempt to fight them on their own terms.
Is this so hard to understand? Just say smoking
pot is no crime and make the liberals prove it is.
All they will be able to come up with is court
rulings. Conservatives have the Constitution
which gives us unalienable rights among which
are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
If smoking pot makes me happy then it is
Constitutionally guaranteed as long as I don't
force it on somebody else.
CN
"Joe" wrote in message om...
Capt. NealŪ wrote in message ...
But, how does one define a 'victim'?
Victim: Someone hurt by someones elses actions.
Does a victim have to be a human being? If so, it would
not be a crime to kill endangered species.
yes it would, you would be taking that species away from other people
who enjoy them. Its like stealing.
It would
not be a crime to wantonly pollute the environment.
yes it would. You do not own the enviroment...it owns you.
You could just dump your crap anywhere.
Then others would have to pay to clean it up. The ones who pay are
victims.
And what
about shooting somebody's dog. A dog certainly is not
human.
It is property of another human. And it has a right to be treated
humainly.
Until you can define 'victim' it is ludicrous to use
the term 'victimless crime'.
Can the environment be a victim?
Yes
Can a fetus be a victim?
Yes
Can an empty building somebody torches be a victim?
Yes if it has an owner, or someone has to pay to put it out.
"Victimless crime" - a typical example of liberal doublespeak.
It's not that complicated Neal.
Joe
Shame on Gilligan and any others for using the term, let
alone advocating for it.
CN
"Joe" wrote in message om...
Horvath wrote in message . ..
On 24 Nov 2004 18:55:21 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:
Horvath wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:16:27 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote this crap:
I'm no liberal in the modern sense at all. I'm a classic liberal or
libertarian. I think drugs should be legal.
You've probably never seen one of your good friends whacked out on
coke.
So what? Ive seen thousand wacked out on Jack Daniels and such.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It's completely
different.
BULL****! Ive seen it all from junkies covered with cotton feaver
sores to dead drunks with there faces split in half when they had a
head on wreck with a telephone pole. Once I had the pleasure of
scraping a young girl off a submarine she did a swan dive on from 8
stories up, she was drunk and doing acid. Oh and the guy who choked on
his own vomit while on smack, he drowned.
But face it Horvath aint nothing you can do. If they want it they
will get it and take it.
Ive got better things to do then babysit retards who can not control
thier own actions or handle thier drug of choice. And I think anyone
should be free to do or take what ever he or she choses to do. Be an
adult and be responsiable for your own actions.
BTW I also know many people that smoke weed daily and own multi
million dollars businesses or have high profile careers and have no
problem with it at all. Just like I know some people that know when to
say when while drinking.
It aint the type of drug, it's the type of person using that drug.
Like Gilligan said, all victim less crimes should be abolished. And
the people that do victimise others should pay to the max.
Joe
Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!