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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the
cockpit
will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find
where you
mention that in your review though. ;-)
One has nothing to do with the other.

Bluewater boaters routinely see water on deck. That's why scuppers
are
built into bulwarks.

This boat is relatively shallow draft, moderate freeboard, and fairly
light displacement.
Nobody would recommend this boat for offshore use under "small craft
warning" weather conditions, certainly including the manufacturer.
Wouldn't matter if it had a transom 4 feet high.

A following sea would not routinely flood the cockpit. Anybody who
would panic if a strong following sea broke across the swim platform
and momentarily put a half inch of water into the cockpit would be
well
advised to choose a heading that doesn't expose the stern directly to
a
following sea.

(I could probably dig up a link to an entire series of racing
sailboats
built with no transom at all........)

No one said anything about open bluewater or offshore use Chuck. You
said the boat was built only for calm sheltered water as the boat will
take on water in rough or following seas. A shame a 32 footer is not
built to take on some moderately rough conditions. And that was my
point because in your review you never said anything about these
deficiencies. ;-)
The post by Chuck Gould was an well written article for a boating
magazine. As we have discussed many many times these "info-articles"
are not reviews and don't pretend to be critical boating reviews.



If he chooses to post the advertisements here then he should be willing
to accept criticism on them.

And a review of a boat without bringing out it's flaws is nothing more
than an advertisement. ;-)

The points I brought up are valid and the result of a poorly engineered
boat. I cannot imagine a 32 footer not capable of taking on open water
and 5 foot seas.


The points you mentioned are ones that worthy of any boating discussion,
the fact that you prefered to make it a discussion on his review is a
waste of bandwidth. To anyone reading your posts it appears that you are
begging for another fight with Chuck. If Chuck tells you "win" can you
let this one go.


I am not begging for a fight. He asked for a discussion and I took him up
on it. If the weaknesses of a boat design cannot be discussed like adults
without getting personal or thinking a party is trying to start a fight
then that is a problem you will have to work out for yourself.

BTW: Like others, I believe Chuck's info-mercials are well written. ;-)


32' and not a blue water boat is not a design defect. There are lots of
large boats that are not designed for the North Atlantic in winter, or the
North Pacific all year. They are designed for regional boating. a 50'
houseboat, is for large lakes. Lakes can get nasty, but not the 20' swells
plus of large oceans. The San Juans and Lake Washington are a large
sheltered area. Thousands of miles of protected, year round cruising. If
all large bodies of water required a large, Michelson type sport fisher,
then you would not have a boat suitable for the Great Lakes. Lots of
boaters do not fish, so they want a boat set up for comfort. Not easy
clean, hose down the tuna blood, from a day of slaughtering albacore
cockpit. Boats are designed for water types. Your 21' boat would have a
life expectancy of extremely short if you boated some of the waters I do.
The rocks would remove your outdrive and most of your bottom. Same as my
boat is not for long distance cruising, it does have a zippered in
enclosure, that protects the occupants from the weather, which is nice
fishing on the anchor in winter. Fault the boat for a marshmello interior
or an ugly arch, but base the design complaints on where the boat is
marketed for the waters that can be encountered in the same region.