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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:38:55 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @
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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because
the
cockpit
will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find
where
you
mention that in your review though. ;-)
One has nothing to do with the other.

Bluewater boaters routinely see water on deck. That's why scuppers
are
built into bulwarks.

This boat is relatively shallow draft, moderate freeboard, and
fairly
light displacement.
Nobody would recommend this boat for offshore use under "small
craft
warning" weather conditions, certainly including the manufacturer.
Wouldn't matter if it had a transom 4 feet high.

A following sea would not routinely flood the cockpit. Anybody who
would panic if a strong following sea broke across the swim
platform
and momentarily put a half inch of water into the cockpit would be
well
advised to choose a heading that doesn't expose the stern directly
to a
following sea.

(I could probably dig up a link to an entire series of racing
sailboats
built with no transom at all........)


No one said anything about open bluewater or offshore use Chuck.
You
said the boat was built only for calm sheltered water as the boat
will
take on water in rough or following seas. A shame a 32 footer is
not
built to take on some moderately rough conditions. And that was my
point
because in your review you never said anything about these
deficiencies.
;-)

The post by Chuck Gould was an well written article for a boating
magazine. As we have discussed many many times these "info-articles"
are
not reviews and don't pretend to be critical boating reviews.



If he chooses to post the advertisements here then he should be willing
to
accept criticism on them.

And a review of a boat without bringing out it's flaws is nothing more
than
an advertisement. ;-)

The points I brought up are valid and the result of a poorly engineered
boat. I cannot imagine a 32 footer not capable of taking on open water
and
5 foot seas.


Did I miss something? Where did Chuck say the boat couldn't take 5 foot
seas? Hell, my 21'er can take 5 foot seas.

Yes John you missed something.

You misread, then misquote, than argue against your misquotes as though
they were stated by the OP.

No I didn't. Here is exactly what Chuck wrote:

"Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhatsheltered
waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt
winds and 5-foot chop. You would want to be off the water if you owned
this boat- as well as most other boats, when something nasty like that
kicks up."



Read it twice......make that three times so you fully understand. OK?



Anne Arundel County Schools are also facing a reading comprehension
problem.

Now what is that saying about people in glass houses? ;-)


I doubt very much that your boat would not cause major bung hole
constriction in a 5' chop. That is a lot different than 5' seas. The
chop is what is on top of the swells. slow to 5-8 knots when the seas
get to 3' and drive very carefully back to port. Most of the time I get
back to safe harbor before the seas get that nasty.


Interesting. I went to my Chapman's to look up their definition of chop:

"The confused water action found at places where tidal currents meet is
called a chop, a term also applied to small, closely spaced waves
resulting from wind action on small bodies of water."

So it looks like a 5 foot chop can be the same as 5 foot seas.

I don't boat on the ocean so I was not familiar with the first part of the
definition. ;-)


A sea or swell is a long period wave. Maybe 15 seconds from crest to crest.
I go out in up to 8' swells here off San Francisco. Running downhill with
the swells at 8' and no chop, I go about 25 mph or you hit the back of the
next swell. But after about 11:30 am in the summer, you want to be near the
harbor, as then the breezes are up and the wind waves or chop are building.
And you can go from calm water, swells only to 3' chop in about 20 minutes.
The chop can be going several directions in regards to the waves, and
sometimes the chops build on top of a swell for a really nasty, wet ride.
Chop is what causes the "sheep in the meadow" description when looking at
the ocean.