On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:17:51 -0500, hpeer wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834

Sea ice at same levels as 1979. Another nail in the coffin of global
warming alarmists and kook believers.

Wilbur Hubbard



Wilbur,

Interesting article. It seems we have the battle of the institutes
going on here.

It seems your report is coming from the University of Illinois Arctic
Climate Research Center.

But..............

If you go to the National Snow and Ice Data Center you get a very
different picture.

They report that the ice growth period has ended with the growth being
"much slower, and should continue to slow"

They have an Arctic Ice Sea Extent graphic that compares the current ice
cover to both the 1979 to 2000 average and the 2006/7 extent. This
graph is updated daily. It shows that the ice extent is far below the
19792-2000 average and that it matches to 2006/7 (record low) minimum.

Then there is the additional concern that, since last years record low,
this cover is predominantly new ice (thin - low volume), not old
multi-year ice (thick - high volume.) Consequently the prediction is
that this summer will see an early breakup and further deterioration of
the overall ice cover.

Perhaps you would like to take a look for yourself at:

www.nsidc.org/articseaicenews/

Or, if you prefer, you could look to the Canadian ice site, 30 day
outlook which says (in part)

The freeze up pattern in the Gulf of Boothia region is very unusual this
year as new ice has barely started to form whereas one would typically
expect the area to be totally covered with new ice by now.

http://ice-glaces.ec.ge.ca

THEN I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS ARCTIC CLIMATE RESEARCH CENTER
SITE (ARCTIC.ATMOS.UIUC.EDU) AND FOUND THIS AT THE TOP OF THEIR PAGE.

Arctic temperature trend
Recent observed surface air temperature changes over the Arctic region
are the largest in the world. Winter (DJF) rates of warming exceed 4
degrees C. over portions of the Arctic land areas (shown left). We
provide Arctic temperature trends and changes of other primary surface
variables (e.g., sea level pressure, precipitation, sea ice cover)
archived in this climate summary, portions of which are published each
year in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

Sea ice extent averaged over the Northern Hemisphere has decreased
correspondingly over the past 50 years (shown right). The largest change
has been observed in the summer months with decreases exceeding 30%.
Decreases observed in winter are more modest. We maintain this updated
archive of sea ice concentrations and extents at the University of
Illinois Department of Atmospheric Sciences.

Cheers


You are trying to flummox him with facts...won't work with Wilbur.
Wilbur knows what Wilbur knows and nothing as flimsy as facts is going
to change his mind.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)