"H the K" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:
Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with
your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.
No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a
long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the insurance,
so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.
I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if
you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.
Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some* pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.
--Vic
Part of our high costs are the E room. I had a toothache while in
Sorrento, Italy. A Saturday and no dentist working. I was told to go
to the local hospital and go to the "Pronto Soccorso" entrance.
Happens to be free to everyone, foreign, locals etc. Was like a walk
in doctors office. There were people there with hurting ankle, etc.
Had a Doctor, nurse & aid and clerk. No big tests, no major
equipment. If you needed more, they sent you to the hospital, where I
would have had to pay. Much cheaper setup than our E rooms and Urgent
Care clinics.
I guess if you could get it by the Doctopr/Nurse union the government
could cut a lot of this off at the pass by opening store front "Quack
in the box" operations in the places where poor people live. They
could staff it with military or ex-military medical people when they
stop the war. My niece was a navy Corpsman for 12 years. If she can
treat the aches and pains of a ship full of sailors or save a Marine
with a sucking chest wound, there is not much in the ghetto she can't
handle. Unfortunately they want her to go to another 4 year course
before she can give someone, stateside, a shot.
And I thought we were over "separate and unequal."
Is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes that drives you
Harry?
I wouldn't see a non-physician or nurse practitioner for a medical
issue. Why should a poor person? The nurses who draw my blood for tests
or give me a flu shot, et cetera, are college graduate nurses who have
passed board exams, are licensed, and required to continue their
educations during their professional life.
RN's are not required to have a college degree. Medical corpsman do not
have college degrees nor do Army medics. Most EMTs and Phlebotomists do
not have college degrees either. Why are you shunning highly trained,
certified and licensed working stiffs? Hell some of them are in unions.
Nice of you to screw over the union guys you elitist snob.
I have a sister who started out as an LPN, became an RN, received her BSN
and now is an NP.
I don't "shop" for nurses. The ones I encounter at my doctor's officesare
college grads who have passed exams and are licensed. That's who the
doctors at our PPO hire.
Your doctors hire the nurse if she has a state license. As an RN (who later
got her degree) my mom stated one time we see if they are breathing before
we hire them. Shortage of nurses. Most nurses now get a degree. As the
nursing schools partner up with colleges. My mom went to school for 3
years, 11 months a year for a total of 33 months to get her RN. This was
1932. Which is almost the same time it takes for a 4 year college degree.
There is a nursing shortage. My mom at 90 years old, and still having a
valid registration (she worked until she was 91) got lots of offers for the
Registry. Fill in nurses.