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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:36:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.


To GIs it is just a mission, Yes sir and take the fkn hill. That is
what they do for a living.
That is one reason why I don't pay much attention to generals telling
is what we should do. They are the nation's hammer and to them
everything looks like a nail.

Somebody has to stand back away from the fight and ask, what are our
objectives and can they be achieved with military force.
In Afghanistan the answer to that has always been no.



I agree. I think that assessment is going on now. Latest I heard was the
go/no go decision will be made after the runoff. According to the generals,
that's still in the timeframe of doable if Obama decides to escalate.

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