On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:32:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:40:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

But, the VN war was considered a loss


And your point?

Be patient. He'll think of something.