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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and takes
action.
Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't think it
was
Obama.

I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used
in this context.

George W. Bush did.

'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we
should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do that,
then you liberals will say, "We lost".

And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able. Keep
trying
the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument merit.

We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it?

I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick to
say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war.


Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple statement
of fact, there's not much else I can add.

No one that I know says "the military" lost the war in Vietnam. The
war in Vietnam wasn't winnable, just like in Afghanistan.

The United States did lose the war in Vietnam. We should never have
been there in the first place, just like Iraq.

We should have attacked Afghanistan with schools and hospitals. We'd
have won that war already.

The US' business is arms. Every disagreement looks like a good case
for war if that's your business. We have a long history in the drug
trade as well.

The best country in the world!!!