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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and
takes
action.
Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't
think
it
was
Obama.

I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it
used
in this context.

George W. Bush did.

'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we
should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do
that,
then you liberals will say, "We lost".

And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able. Keep
trying
the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument
merit.

We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it?

I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick to
say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war.


Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple
statement
of fact, there's not much else I can add.

No one that I know says "the military" lost the war in Vietnam. The
war in Vietnam wasn't winnable, just like in Afghanistan.

I guess you've really never met Harry, so you 'could' say you don't
know him. He's said it multiple times, and you've never mentioned a
differing opinion.

The United States did lose the war in Vietnam.

Bull****. The US cut and run.

?? I think you need to make your complaint to Richard M. Nixon for that
one.
We lost. Nixon ended the war, and we would have lost even more of our
soldiers if we would have stayed... for no reason whatsoever.

What's the definition of losing? Do you fight 'til the last man, 'til
the last bomb, plane, ship?

What's the difference between cutting and running and losing?

Maybe we just haven't parsed the terms to their essence?


We should never have
been there in the first place, just like Iraq.

We had a good reason to be in Iraq.

?? Really? What was the reason? WMDs? Saddam was training jihadists?

He had a Winnebago, some balsa wood drones and a lot of oil.

Plus, he slandered our CIC's daddy.

We should have attacked Afghanistan with schools and hospitals. We'd
have won that war already.


Agreed, and we should have built the schools and hospitals as soon as
the Russians left.

We funded the bin laden crowd to get the Russians to leave. So, your
statement makes no sense.

That would be par for his course.


I was thinking A Hole in one. Sorry, bad pun.

Maybe the A-hole but never the one. His index is 23, which means on
his best day he'd shoot 1.5 strokes over par each hole. That means
his game is nearly as excruciating to him as he is to us.

That's beyond duffer. Doofus perhaps. He'd be a good twosome with
Disney's Goofy. Would probably get along very well with Walt as well.