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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57

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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House
passed their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in
history making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots
of work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't
think it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.

One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed.
That ****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something
by 2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election
issue on the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the
issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health
care, so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this
is a hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn
down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care
reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the
majority of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a
single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against
health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services
they can have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than
the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private
industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done
by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in
the back room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those
****ED UP laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The
Feds should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and
curing a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be
swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on
our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also
working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar
because Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you
can come up with resonable debates: kiss my ass!

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even
that was messed up.

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I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault.
Everything was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still
spending money in Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left
Somalia. Bush was not the one who signed the bill to let banks
be brokerage houses. Something that had worked well after the
1929 crash. I hope you did better reading on your patent
searches.

Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things.
Bosnia... we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that?

It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor
... more than anyone else.

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Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our
men for nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to
interfere. And Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for
600 years. Let Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their
playground. How many billions we waste there? And we are still
there.

Bush promoted the clusterfk, but ok. Somalia was a mistake, but
thousands of our troops didn't die. "any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind").

We saved lives in Bosnia, and it was necessary to "interfere" in
ethnic cleansing. We should have intervened in Rwanda and we should
intervene in Darfur. Don't forget that WW2 started in the region.

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Why should we interfere in Bosnia because of ethic cleansing?
Ruwanda was a lot better place to interfere. Bosnia has had
Albanians cleansing Serbs and Serbs cleansing Albanians for
centuries. But the Albanians seem to have the upper hand in all the
years. They ran death camps for the NAZI and even some of the
Germans were grossed out by the gusto that they went about the job.
Are we the police department for Europe?

Besides the second question (answer is no), I'm not sure what point
you're trying to make. We saved lives there. The intervention worked.

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Did we save lives? Maybe. They are still killing Serbs now that
Bosnia is non serb. Still not our place to go in. If you argue it is
because of ethnic cleansing, then you have to say Iraq is a good war,
and we should be there. Saddam was trying to ethnic cleanse Kurds.

?? Did you not listen to the news? Give me a break.

Yeah, Saddam was a bad guy, but the justification to attack Iraq was
not, as you well know, his human rights abuses. It was all about
non-existent WMDs.

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I know what the stated reasons were. But if jps is going to claim Bosnia
was a good war because it prevented ethnic cleansing, he then has to
claim Iraq is a good war. cruel isn't it.

There's no "good" war. There are justifiable wars. The Bosnian war
prevented some, but not all ethnic cleansing. There was no such
consideration in Iraq.

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Nom=de=Plume

It was not a justifiable war.

Tell this moron to go ask the Kurds.. Still just a partisan moron.