On Jan 3, 10:55*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:42:36 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:55:06 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:02:06 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:24:51 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:19:22 -0800, jps wrote:

Gun owners and the NRA may not be on same page

Hard to know who to root for and who to hiss when you run across a
stand-off between notorious Republican strategist Frank Luntz and the
scare-mongering behemoth otherwise known as the National Rifle
Association.

This round, let's listen to Luntz:

Mr. Luntz queried 832 gun owners, including 401 card-carrying N.R.A.
members, in a survey commissioned by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the
alliance of hundreds of executives seeking stronger gun laws. In flat
rebuttal of N.R.A. propaganda, the findings showed that 69 percent of
N.R.A. members supported closing the notorious gun-show loophole that
invites laissez-faire arms dealing outside registration requirements..

Even more members, 82 percent, favored banning gun purchases to
suspects on terrorist watch lists who are now free to arm. And 69
percent disagreed with Congressionally imposed rules against sharing
federal gun-trace information with state and local police agencies.

So ... a majority of gun owners want the gun-show loophole closed,
favor restrictions on banned gun purchases and think it's a good idea
to have gun information shared between agencies. Makes you wonder how
reasonable their views would be if they weren't being pumped up by
propaganda and warned to lock and load every election by the rich gun
lobby.

Posted by SusanG at Kos.

Gosh..... "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" actually "discovered" a study
that proved their point....! *OH! they commissioned the study!!!! Well
who did they hire? They hired:

http://www.theworddoctors.com/expertise.html

Do they seek the truth in scientific accumulation and evaluation of
data (aren't they Fair and Balanced)? Oh, hell no.... What, then do
they do? They twist words and lie by deceptive innuendo....

"Remember, what matters is not what you say. *Its what people hear."

Fooling people on questionnaires is a very old, very dishonest form of
lying....actually making other people lie without realizing it.... I'm
not sure what magically misleading terms these folks would use to
describe what they *REALLY* do, but I'm sure they'll say something you
can agree with, if you pay them enough.....

These guys are playing both sides of the conservative fence.... weekly
crap for FOX News and then "proving" that the NRA doesn't represent
gun owners....

Are you citing the study Frank Luntz did?

Give me your cite....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...09/12/09/AR200...

Read the article Gene. *

Frank Luntz was paid to perform the services but he's by no means a
left wing stooge, which is what you'd claim if he was.

I suggest you look further into how he framed his questions if you
want to impune the veracity of his study.

"impune"? *There's a lonely, forlorn "g" floating around out there
somewhere in the melancholy land of misguided liberal rebuttals. *And
it never hurts to take an extra "e" on the end of a word just for good
measure.

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Im`pune´
a. 1. Unpunished.

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