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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 00:11:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:47:58 -0700, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:19:24 -0400, wrote:

You and Plume can't seem to accept that I was against BOTH wars.
You assume that if I think Obama is wrong that I must think Bush was
right. They were BOTH wrong, along with Clinton and the elder Bush.
When Saddam withdrew from Kuwait, our job was done there.

The Afg. war wasn't wrong and you know it. We had a legitimate reason
for going in. Just because Bush did so stupidly didn't make it wrong.

Wait ... are you saying Bush was right about something? I disagree but
it is interesting.

Wait, you don't have a clue about what I said, clearly. One last
time... We had a legitimate reason for going to Afg. under Bush. We
did not have a legitimate reason for going to Iraq under Bush.

Afghanistan was always stupid. Sending in a few Deltas to try to
assassinate OBL was a good idea but when we missed him we should have
backed off and waited for him to pop up again.
Invading Afghanistan in force was simply stupid.

According to you, expert on all things.

The idea that we have any business in any country's civil war keeps
biting us on the ass and we never learn.

Yeah, according to you human rights don't matter. That'll be a great
way of leading by example.

Why do we have the right to decide what "human rights" mean in a
foreign country? In real life we are using human rights to mask an
economic or political mission anyway.

So, just to be clear, according to you, screw everyone else. If people
are murdered by dictators, not our problem.

I guess you didn't have a problem with Germany pre-WW2. Why did we
attack them? They didn't attack us.

Right now we are backing the "rebels" in Libya but we do not have a
clue who they really are. It is significant that this region is an
alleged Al Queda strong hold. We may end up replacing a guy that we
had "contained" to use your words, with a gang that we have no
influence over at all.

We're not supplying them with weapons so far. I think that would be a
mistake on general principles, but we have built some good will which
is sorely lacking for us in the region.

You have still not given me an example of a success story in all of
our post WWII military adventures. The best that you can point at is a
stalemate in the Bulkans where we have 124,000 blue helmets standing
between feuding factions.

No stalemate. No one is dying there as they were previously.

BTW when I went looking for that number I was overwhelmed by reports
of the UN "peacekeepers" engaged in human trafficking and rape.
Put this on your google bar

"Bosnia peace keepers 2010"

You can see what wonderful people the UN is putting in there to help
out the population.

So, you're claiming that all the peace keepers (ours included) are
trafficking and raping. Seems to me you believe that because a few
people do something bad, that means all of them do bad.

That's what you said after AbuGhraib... But of course now that there is
a Democrat as commander in Chief...