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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out
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In article ,
says...

They are now saying the main source, a British asset who never talked
to the US, was a fraud. It is interesting that Blair is not getting
more of the blame.
All of the things Powell was saying at the UN (mobile weapons labs and
WMD accidents that killed a number of workers) came from the Brits.

The main "source" for mobile weapons labs "intelligence" was Curveball.
Curveball was a German "asset."
An embezzler, possibly alcoholic, looking for a green card.
He was discredited totally by UN weapons inspectors before the war was
launched.

The Brits were still parroting his stories and fed the information to
Powell.

We can't let facts get in the way of blaming Bush for everything tho.

This is some of the most hilarious bull**** I've see in a long time.
Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Powell had nothing to do with it.
It's all Tony Blairs's fault!

I never said Bush et al were not at fault. That is the part you all
miss. I think the whole ****up in Iraq was unnecessary.
We should have left in 1991. Every president since then shares some of
the blame.
Obama said he would stop both wars yet he clings to the same schedule
"the idiot" came up with. It makes you wonder who the idiot (or the
liar) really is.

Completely untrue. He's implemented a complete withdrawal of combat
troops as per the agreement with the Iraqi gov't. The remaining forces
are winding down. It's clear who the idiot was... Bush. It's clear who
told him what to do.. Cheney, the other war criminal.

"Combat troops" is a cute euphemism. It is like when you said we
didn't have any combat troops in Vietnam after the cease fire, yet
another 362 GIs were killed in combat.
Since the biggest cause of death in both of the current wars is from
IEDs, not "combat" the term is meaningless.

According to you, the expert. I guess you don't care that we're
involvement is winding down and it takes some time.

... according, literally "to the writing on the wall". Go to DC and
look at it sometime.

VN is old news. Get a new argument.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Since there's no correlation between VN and our present situation,
there's nothing that is going to be repeated.

Why not? They are all undeclared wars where we have injected ourselves
into another country's civil war. The outcome is likely to be the
same.

According to Mr. Expert.

It may have been worthwhile to send a hit squad team into Afghanistan
to kill Bin Laden but when that mission failed, trying to conquer and
nation build was stupid.

It failed due to the incompetence of Bush and Rumsfeld. There's no
"conquering" going on.

We all agree Iraq was stupid although, in the end, we will probably be
more successful creating something like democracy there. I still don't
think that is our job.

It's our job now to at least try to complete some sort of
stabilization. Seems like things are slowly moving in that direction.