BoatBanter.com - View Single Post - Can I use Solid wire for rewiring sailboat if not WHY?

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:46:12 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:21:58 GMT, (Steven
Shelikoff) wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:40:09 GMT, wrote:

Like I said - provide ONE manufacturer who uses solder. If it was
superior, then some comapanies would solder, and use it as a sales
tool to demonstrate higher quality than their competitors. Hinkley
uses solder? Oyster uses solder? Swan? These companies would solder in
a heartbeat if it was better.

And like I said, specious argument since I'm not claiming any
manufactureres use solder. You can't seem to get that through your head
since you keep asking me to provide one. Ok, even though there is
probably some that do use solder, I'll agree with you and say that none
do. How about that?

Please explain why no boat manufacturers use solder. Be specific, and
provide examples, cites and anything else you wish as evidence. The
claim that no manufacturers use solder because of cost is absurd, and
I have pointed out why.

Lol. You really don't believe the extravagent cost of properly
soldering the wiring for a marginal benefit in conductivity is why they
don't do it? You're too funny.

Ok, let me ask you this: how many boat manufacturers do you think
properly crimp every connection? And by properly, I mean by using a
racheting type mil-spec crimp tool that makes a 360 degree crimp that
cold welds the connector to the wire, not just a dimple that most crimp
tools make.

I've shown you who agrees with me. Who agrees with you?

According to Steven Shelikoff, (at least that's the "name" he uses on
usenet) no manufacturers use solder for boat wiring.

Um, no. Please get it right. It's according to the anonymous
that no manufacturers use solder for boat
wiring. I'm just willing to let that slide because I don't feel like
trying to prove you wrong on that point since whether or not
manufacturers use solder has no bearing on the discussion of whether
it's ok for YOU to use solder. You have yet to provide any evidence of
your claim that the reason boat manufacturers don't properly solder
their wiring is due to product liability lawsuits. Can you find ONE
manufacturer who will support that allegation? Can you find ONE
successful lawsuit arising from a problem with properly soldered wiring?
If you are correct that liability lawsuits is the reason manufacturers
don't do it, there will be at lease one case.

Now I don't think you'll find a single manufacturer who gold plates
their tiller either. But that doesn't mean you can't gold plate your
tiller if you want to, and it will still pass an insurance survey. Do
you think manufacturers don't gold plate their tillers because of
product liability reasons? lol

Can you
provide a single shred of evidence to support your wild allegations?

I just did.

You did? Where? Where's the single shred of evidence that supports
your claim that if you have soldered connections on your boat it will
not pass an insurance survey? Where's the single shred of evidence that
supports your claim that the reason boat manufacturers don't use
properly soldered connections is because of product liability lawsuits?

You have yet to provide ONE manufacturer who says the reason they don't
properly solder their wiring is because of product liability reasons and
have yet to provide ONE example of a boat that didn't pass an insurance
survey due to properly soldered wiring.

In trying to defend your position, you've disagreed with the ABYC, NASA,
Navy, Calder and many marine surveyors.

Now that it's been proven you're wrong and you have nothing to support
your assertions, there's no shame in admitting you're wrong, learning
from it and moving on. Continuing to try and defend the indefensible
and stooping to personal insults out of your frustration from not being
able to provide any proof of your wild unsubstantiated allegations only
makes you look foolish.

Steve