On 9/26/2011 7:58 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/09/2011 5:50 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/26/2011 7:34 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/09/2011 5:07 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:49:50 -0600,
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On 26/09/2011 10:42 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/26/2011 11:41 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 26/09/2011 8:24 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/26/2011 10:15 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/09/2011 8:26 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/25/2011 9:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/09/2011 3:41 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/25/2011 11:44 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/09/2011 5:11 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:31:39 -0400, JustWait
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On 9/24/2011 6:08 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0400,
wrote:
So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg
become a
human?
At conception.
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That's a religious view not supportable by any logic or
science. It
even fails the common sense test. You are entitled to
your
beliefs
as long as you don't try to legislate them for everyone
else.
What do you care? We have abortion on demand now, what
more do
you
want?
You have taken the parents out of the equation, which
"even fails
the
common sense test". Like I said before, compromise for
abortion
advocates, and most other zealots is just a means to an
end.. Now
that
you have it 100% your way you want it to be considered
settled
law,
and
nobody else can have an opinion on it.. I get it.
It actually was "settled law" until the religious zealots,
with
whom
you apparently identify, tried to make their religious
opinion a
secular law.
There is no such thing as "settled law."
It is sad that parents had to be "taken out of the
equation," but
there are parents that, due to religious convictions, will
allow
children to starve, go without medical treatment, and other
(secularly) ridiculous actions. Even now, there are
parents that
feel
that NOT vaccinating their children (boys AND girls)
against HPV,
which causes cervical cancer, will keep then chaste and
pure. They
are
even taking their position to court to defend their
right as
parents
to allow their children to get cervical cancer. But that
is sane,
right?
Parents have been taken out of the equation because the
liberals
beliefs
are contrary to those of conservatives and the liberals
cannot
stand to
let others live their own lives.
Actually, when it comes to abortion and religion, drop the
liberal
and
conservative thing. Bot sides have their fanatics that feel
the
right to
tell others what to do.
Libertarian versus statism might have better alignment. Comes
down to
how much do you believe others have the rights to make their
own
choices?
What more do they want? They already have abortion on demand
as a
"compromise", what is next, will they get to choose who must
have an
abortion??
So? What is wrong with the choice being exclusively between
the woman
and the doctor?
It isn't your womb after all.
How about government dictating circumcision? (or banning it?)
Or maybe one step further, claim your genetics are not good
enough and
you must be sterilized. (an every genome has defects, that is
why we
are
not the same).
My point is, why are we even talking about it.. How much more
"compromise" do you want, you have abortion on demand now, paid
for and
delivered by organizations who have only one solution in their
arsenal,
and make a ton of money on it, with no right for any other
information
or opinion to the young girl that walks in....? if there is any
more
"compromise"... we will be at the point of: "government
dictating
circumcision (or banning it?) Or claiming your genetics are not
good
enough and you must be sterilized." So, I ask you again, how
much more
"compromise" do you want?
No more is really needed, provided the women have access without
the
harassment and bully mentality. Their choice.
Yeah, as long as they only get that one point of view... What if
it was
the other side that was funded by the Govt and wouldn't allow any
talk
of abortion in their clinics? That is to say, what would you
think if
Planned Parenthood actually gave information beneficial to a
woman who
wanted to say be a parent, and couldn't talk about abortion at
all.
Would you think of that as "compromise" too?
Don't get me wrong, I am nether pro nor con in the decision, just
believe it is their right to their body. Government (nor
religion)
shouldn't be used to dictate having babies.
Yeah, but if you support Planned Parenthood, you absolutely do not
support a womans right to make an "informed" decision about
parenthood.
planned Parenthood is an abortion mill, they have no interest in
"informed" clients, only providing abortions...
It isn't 10,000 BC with a dwindling population of only 4 million
world
wide. As of 1825 give or take the population was a billion.
Today 7
billion....it can't continue this way as one way or another
there are
going to be limits. If anything, in large areas of the world we
should
be looking at controls in birth.
So, you want women to make decisions based on that???
Our jobs should be to our family, not to the state to provided
breeding
vessels and soldiers.
Abortions don't create families...
Abortions don't create starving illiterate homeless children
turning to
crime either.
So, all those aborted kids were gonna' come up bad? I can see
this is
futile. Like a Progressive, you are making it a binary issue and you
decide which is 0 and which is 1...
A good number of them would, because whether we like it or not, a
good
number of them would come from unwed, unsupported, inner city welfare
recipients.
I am sure if the anti-abortion types raised the money and paid these
women to have the children. Oh wait, the idea is for someone else to
pay for it. Ya, right.
As I said, the anti-abortion movement is just another form of bully
mentality of idle fanatical minds. Last thing the world needs is
another starving, neglected, welfare sucking, poorly raised
delinquent.
Look at Africa, billion new babies or so in the next 10 or 12 years to
add to the starvation and poverty they already have. Brilliant.
/sarcasm
Africa's problems are not the result of anti-abortion types. Sometimes
you come across as though
your head is where the sun don't shine.
Well, where does the anti-abortion and anti-birth control crowd end?
If you do it by the book (Muslim or Catholic) your not supposed to use
birth control of any method. Have to out populate the other when war
doesn't work.
This is about religious ignorance and goes well beyond a simple domestic
US clinical abortion. It does get into the bigger picture of population
sustainability and th quality of which children are raised.
Having kids at any cost isn't the answer. It might have been 10,000 or
even 2000 years ago, but it is no longer true today.
So your solution is to control the population by making sure young women
only hear one voice, and that voice is yours? Yep, no compromise, no
other opinions or information allowed.. you are a fleabagger yourself...
No, fleabaggers are pushy. I just want here rights respected. And that
means no guilt ripping from the religious fruitballs or government
regulation of pussy.
Women have rights. Present the options straight up without the bull****,
then listen. Then she gets to decided without the religious bull****.
Yeah nice words but you know as well as I do, you are not going to let
her hear any other option, and use one or two protesters as an excuse to
limit the information to your own opinion... But you will just go on and
cherry pick incidents, lie by omission, and protect your own selfish
desire to run the "pussy" as you put it... I am done with you, you are
as honest as Krause in this matter... I have accompanied a young woman
to Planned Abortionhood, it's nothing like you suggest, it's a big lie
to suggest that information can't be available because there "might" be
someone out there with religious views... Yup, you are a fleabagger
bully and a religious bigot, for sure... You should really consider
voting for Obama this time around... He likes "compromise" too, as long
as we remember, "elections have concequences"... but I guess like most
fleabaggers, as long as you get your way, you are cool with it... and I
won't forget, it comes down to dollars and cents with you.. Seeing a
pattern here???