On 10/18/2011 8:47 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/18/11 8:38 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/18/2011 7:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/18/11 6:54 AM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:52 am, X ` wrote:
On 10/17/11 8:41 AM, Tim wrote:









On Oct 17, 7:30 am, X ` wrote:
On 10/17/11 8:22 AM, Tim wrote:

On Oct 17, 5:30 am, X ` wrote:
In 1358, according to historian and author Barbara Tuchman, a
peasant
revolution started in the Oise valley of France. The peasants
attacked
and looted a manor house, killed the knight who lived there and
roasted
him on a spit while his wife and children watched. A dozen of the
serfs
raped the lady of the manor while the children watched, and then
they
forced her to eat the cooked flesh of her husband. Then they
killed her.

Now that is serious class warfare.

Discussing whether the top one percent of the wealthy in this
country
should pay a higher tax rate is not, though I think the "French"
treatment of a few dozen Wall Street chiefs and industrial chiefs
would
provide quicker results.

Wiki gives credit of the story to one Jean La Bel, but I thought
this
line was interesting:

"The peasants involved in the rebellion seem to have lacked any
real
organization, instead rising up locally as an unstructured mass.
It is
speculated by Jean le Bel that evil governors and tax collectors
spread the word of rebellion from village to village to inspire the
peasants to rebel against the nobility. When asked as to the
cause of
their discontent they apparently replied that they were just doing
what they had witnessed others doing. Additionally it seems that
the
rebellion contained some idea that it was possible to rid the
world of
nobles. Froissart's account portrays the rebels as mindless thugs
bent
on destruction, which they wreaked on over 150 noble houses and
castles, murdering the families in horrendous ways."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie#The_uprising

In the 14th Century, the serfs had every reason to murder nobles.
They
still do.

Harry, nobody has the right to 'murder' anyone...

In the 14th Century, the nobility murdered just about anyone it
pleased,
and with impunity. Since the serfs had no justice whatsoever available
to them, turnabout was seen as fair play.

Even in this country and in this century, we have official murder.
Some
may say that those killed in wars or by the executioner are not
murdered, but "the state" will say anything to justify its actions.

Harry,. who do you have the right to murder, and who has the right to
murder you?


Murder simply defined is *illegal* homicide. The country and many states
engage in homicide and justify it by saying it was *legal*.
The state of course can make anything it likes legal, but that doesn't
make it justified. Executions may be legal, but they are not justified.
Killing of non-combatants in a war is murder.

The situation is different in a case of self-defense. I don't have the
right to murder anyone, but I do have the legal and I think moral right
to defend myself or my wife from intruders who break into the house and
intend bodily harm. If that means shooting the intruders, so be it.

It's not the same as execution. The state has a choice. It can warehouse
violent offenders until they die of old age. There are no such
alternative when dealing with a home invader.

You should know that all intruders are not murderers and rapists. You
better make sure you are targeted for bodily harm before you pull the
trigger. Your paranoia will work against you in defense of a shooting.
Think about that, big boy.


I'm more than a little familiar with gun safety and the "rules of
engagement" in this state. I take a couple of firearms courses every
year, and in every course, safety is stressed.

If it is the middle of the night and someone breaks in and that someone
is an ugly, squat little guy with a ponytail, I'll simply assume he
intends bodily harm and act accordingly. :) Maybe I'll have the
ponytail mounted on a wood base and hang it in the garage.

The reality is these days that a significant percentage of home burglars
are drug addicts looking for "merch" to steal so they have something to
pawn for cash.

I'm not in the least bit paranoid. I caught a burglar once, one who
started to come at me with a tire iron. He's probably just now getting
out of the slammer, since he drew a 20-year sentence. He was a big-time
burglar in NE Florida.

ahhhh haaaa, is that the one who stood directly in the middle of the
garage, against the wall, so you could sneak up on him with your Toyota
Tundra and pin him perfectly against the wall till the cops got there?
LOL, harry, nobody believes you, good Harrytale though...