On 10/19/11 10:16 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/19/2011 10:15 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/19/11 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/19/2011 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com,
says...

On 10/18/2011 7:53 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/18/11 6:54 AM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:52 am, X ` wrote:
On 10/17/11 8:41 AM, Tim wrote:









On Oct 17, 7:30 am, X ` wrote:
On 10/17/11 8:22 AM, Tim wrote:

On Oct 17, 5:30 am, X ` wrote:
In 1358, according to historian and author Barbara Tuchman, a
peasant
revolution started in the Oise valley of France. The peasants
attacked
and looted a manor house, killed the knight who lived there and
roasted
him on a spit while his wife and children watched. A dozen of
the
serfs
raped the lady of the manor while the children watched, and
then
they
forced her to eat the cooked flesh of her husband. Then they
killed her.

Now that is serious class warfare.

Discussing whether the top one percent of the wealthy in this
country
should pay a higher tax rate is not, though I think the
"French"
treatment of a few dozen Wall Street chiefs and industrial
chiefs
would
provide quicker results.

Wiki gives credit of the story to one Jean La Bel, but I
thought this
line was interesting:

"The peasants involved in the rebellion seem to have lacked any
real
organization, instead rising up locally as an unstructured mass.
It is
speculated by Jean le Bel that evil governors and tax collectors
spread the word of rebellion from village to village to inspire
the
peasants to rebel against the nobility. When asked as to the
cause of
their discontent they apparently replied that they were just
doing
what they had witnessed others doing. Additionally it seems
that the
rebellion contained some idea that it was possible to rid the
world of
nobles. Froissart's account portrays the rebels as mindless
thugs
bent
on destruction, which they wreaked on over 150 noble houses and
castles, murdering the families in horrendous ways."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie#The_uprising

In the 14th Century, the serfs had every reason to murder
nobles. They
still do.

Harry, nobody has the right to 'murder' anyone...

In the 14th Century, the nobility murdered just about anyone it
pleased,
and with impunity. Since the serfs had no justice whatsoever
available
to them, turnabout was seen as fair play.

Even in this country and in this century, we have official murder.
Some
may say that those killed in wars or by the executioner are not
murdered, but "the state" will say anything to justify its actions.

Harry,. who do you have the right to murder, and who has the
right to
murder you?


Murder simply defined is *illegal* homicide. The country and many
states
engage in homicide and justify it by saying it was *legal*.
The state of course can make anything it likes legal, but that
doesn't
make it justified. Executions may be legal, but they are not
justified.
Killing of non-combatants in a war is murder.

The situation is different in a case of self-defense. I don't have
the
right to murder anyone, but I do have the legal and I think moral
right
to defend myself or my wife from intruders who break into the house
and
intend bodily harm. If that means shooting the intruders, so be it.

It's not the same as execution. The state has a choice. It can
warehouse
violent offenders until they die of old age. There are no such
alternative when dealing with a home invader.

You should know that all intruders are not murderers and rapists. You
better make sure you are targeted for bodily harm before you pull the
trigger. Your paranoia will work against you in defense of a shooting.
Think about that, big boy.

When you point a gun at someone, like an intruder in your home, your
intention is to kill them not to interview them. If you are not aiming
for center mass you are in idiot.

Had a young guy walk into my house a few years back, at 1:30 in the
morning.. I used a baseball bat to remove him, not a gun. Turns out he
was a escaped patient from a home down the street, and didn't know where
he was... If Harry had had the same, a innocent person would be dead
instead of just having a broken rib...


We're smart enough down here to tell the difference between a little
**** intent on violence (like you) and someone suffering from a
non-violent mental disorder.

Bull****, when someone breaks down your door at 1:30 am, you don't take
time to check their intent.. but of course you have to defend your
cowardly ways, I get it...


It's fairly easy to tell a non-violent, unarmed, confused mental patient
from a hot-tempered, sawed-off little **** like you, Snotty. Even easier
when the lady of the house is a psychotherapist who did a year-old
internship at one of Florida's huge forensic mental hospitals, has
worked at several psych facilities, has been a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist for more than 15 years, and has been recognized by
courts in this area and several distant states as an expert witness.