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iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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The code says "to provide for a neutral conductor to complete the
circuit for electronic lighting controls". That is not necessary if
you have an incandescent load. Maybe you are just to dumb to make the
connection or you are just ****ing with me for some personal reason
but I am done.

None of the above. Your notion that it's just for CFL's and LED's is
bull**** and further, you know it is! As you say, it is "to provide for
a neutral conductor..." It isn't "necessary" for a CFL any more than it
is for an incandescent light! Period. And you can't show me how/where it
is, because it isn't happening.

I have a half dozen 2 wire occupancy sensors working fine on
incandescents without a neutral. None work with a CFL or LED.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? Perhaps because you are in
beyond your depth.
I suppose I could go to the manufacturer web site and see where they
verify my result but why bother. You would quibble with their language
too.

If you want to use occupancy sensors with CFL's on 2-wire, upgrade your
sensors to a Leviton or other that doesn't require a neutral.
So you've got a sensor issue, not a CFL/LED issue.
Sensor/dimmer manufacturers have already passed up the stupid NEC code
and solved the neutral issue with low power IC's and microcontrollers.
So if I wanted to I could light control with my 2-wire. Anybody can.
Or pull your own damn neutrals. You'll still need new modern sensors
for CFL/LED.
Apparently you prefer government intrusion of NEC code inspectors
requiring neutrals for every ****ing light switch in America to solve
your problem, even if they don't use sensors or dimmers on their
lighting. And even if that won't solve your antiquated sensor issue.
Or just use incandescents with your current gear. They're readily
available and not outlawed, as many dumb-asses seem to think.

Citing codes as a specific reason for not using CFL's is crazy! Writing
and re-writing codes is in itself a very lucrative engineering industry
and the WANT to find reasons to edit and revise codes. That's how they
make their money.