Oz, you must cease and desist with this virtual cruelty. You
_know_ what happens when you start playing around in gun
threads. And you gotta remember, the artistic types get very
upset very fast (check out the bio:
http://members.cox.net/demosmasters/dtbio.html

ANd anyway, isn't it Donal who's in Solent? and you who's in
solvent?

And Danny Taddei on .asa is already immortalised anyway in the
..asa verses archive http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/asapo.htm
Too much effort to update it...

Flying Tadpole


Oz1 wrote:

Not as intelligent but showing good form.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Oz1 wrote:



BTW Tadpole, a little more twist in Lady Kates main would hav allowed
her to stay more upright and punch thru the slop better. Reduces the
effect of the bullets too. Try it next time....today even.


Sigh. Yes, you're right. I must be losing my touch. Oversheeting
has always been my deadliest sin on all my gaffers. I'm sure I
rail about it in the how-to-sail-a-schooner tips. And I probably
should have eased th peak a little to allow more twist too. BTW
the windward performance did pick up when I gave up and rehoist
the mizzen to go with the triple-reefed main, and eased the
sheets to bring the 60 deg heel back to 30. On the chart, I made
perhaps half a mile to windward in 9 miles under the
triple-reefed main alone, then 2.5 miles to windward over the nex
8.5 miles.

Perhaps the twistless oversheeted sail was a post-hypnotic
suggestion response to all Bobsprit's sailing photos with a
midline-sheeted boom?

FT

Oz1 wrote:


Would the outboard push you to windward in those conditions? ;-


On which topic: a fascinating small book which you may be able
to get out of a larger library is Ron Thiele (1987) "Ketch hand:
the twilight of sail in South Australian waters" Main'sle Books,
PO Box 316 Portland, Victoria 3305 (Australia) ISBN 0-7316-1551-4

One of the interesting facets is that quite a proportion of the
remaining mosquito fleet of coastal ketches and schooners after
1945 were lost, because they were bought, cheap, by non-sailors
just back from the war planning shark fisheries or tourist
ventures or just wandering. On the SA lee coasts, hit by westerly
changes (always on delivery/pickup voyages) they forgot that they
were sailing a sailing ship and relied not on the sails but on
the auxiliary motors, which being crank, or ancient, or simply
inadequate, lost their small ships. If they'd sailed them,
they'd mostly have survived.

In neither of my admittedly iconoclastic craft has the motor ever
been the device to rely on in times of trouble. Many tell me
that this is _not_ the case in a _proper_ sailboat, where the
auxiliary is _always_ to be depneded on, and indeed started at
the first sign of trouble. But somehow, I fail to be convinced.

PS. I must say, the ancient 9.9 Honda renders the miseries of the
more ancient Tadpole seagull to distant memory. But there is
always a sail up, except in the marina where they won't allow it,
and in there, there's always an anchor for that happy day when
the motor dies unexpectedly. And no: the 9.9 would be totally
inadequate to push to windward directly in that chop. It
wouldn't be in the water long enough...I did use it as a sail
assist at one stage though.

Flying Tadpole

It IS a long shaft OB, dammit! To power directly into that chop
without pushing air 3/4s of the time would need something like 5
ft between engine and prop....Using the motor on a tack as a
boost works fine, no air propeller at at all and the motor
doesn't stress or blow up, but I didn't resort to that until i
was really running out of time (unlit confined rocky and shoaly
waters to get through to a reasonable anchorage) because part of
the point of the exercise is to keep the _sailing_ skills shiny.

Were you seriously suggesting I drop sail and rely on a
motor???????

Flying Tadpole

Oz1 wrote:

snip

Why don't you look for a long shaft OB to do the work?

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:58:46 +0930, Flying Tadpole
wrote:



Oz1 wrote:


Would the outboard push you to windward in those conditions? ;-


On which topic: a fascinating small book which you may be able
to get out of a larger library is Ron Thiele (1987) "Ketch hand:
the twilight of sail in South Australian waters" Main'sle Books,
PO Box 316 Portland, Victoria 3305 (Australia) ISBN 0-7316-1551-4

One of the interesting facets is that quite a proportion of the
remaining mosquito fleet of coastal ketches and schooners after
1945 were lost, because they were bought, cheap, by non-sailors
just back from the war planning shark fisheries or tourist
ventures or just wandering. On the SA lee coasts, hit by westerly
changes (always on delivery/pickup voyages) they forgot that they
were sailing a sailing ship and relied not on the sails but on
the auxiliary motors, which being crank, or ancient, or simply
inadequate, lost their small ships. If they'd sailed them,
they'd mostly have survived.

In neither of my admittedly iconoclastic craft has the motor ever
been the device to rely on in times of trouble. Many tell me
that this is _not_ the case in a _proper_ sailboat, where the
auxiliary is _always_ to be depneded on, and indeed started at
the first sign of trouble. But somehow, I fail to be convinced.

PS. I must say, the ancient 9.9 Honda renders the miseries of the
more ancient Tadpole seagull to distant memory. But there is
always a sail up, except in the marina where they won't allow it,
and in there, there's always an anchor for that happy day when
the motor dies unexpectedly. And no: the 9.9 would be totally
inadequate to push to windward directly in that chop. It
wouldn't be in the water long enough...I did use it as a sail
assist at one stage though.

Flying Tadpole

Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Oz1 wrote:

BTW have they opened the bar yet?

No. The River Murray Mouth is now not so much just a bar, but
more an entire hotel strip. At current rates, I would say
there'll be a sandhill across most of it by this time '04.

Mind you, the $000,000s spent on dredging used a dredge incapable
of dredging the actual mouth, so they just dredged past it on the
land ward side, to link Goolwa and the Coorong. They've failed
abjectly at that too.

Flying Tadpole