Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 09/03/2003 10:12 Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"
"Shen44" wrote in message
...

If you had any experience or knowledge of a ship, you'd know this to be
incorrect. Mates on a ship, are specific as to duties and experience level
to
be expected. For instance, what are the duties of the Chief Mate?


OK, turnabout is fair play so I'll play your game by asking you if
you're asking about the duties of a Chief Mate Class 1 or a
Chief Mate Class 2.


S.Simon


LOL In other words you don't know the answer.
As to your question - neither.
I'm asking about ships, that sail upon oceans (i.e. what we've been discussing)
so that means a Mate, who holds a license which says:
Chief Mate of Steam and Motor Vessels of Any Gross Tons Upon Oceans ..... or
higher.

Shen

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
be expected. For instance, what are the duties of the Chief Mate?


OK, turnabout is fair play so I'll play your game by asking you if
you're asking about the duties of a Chief Mate Class 1 or a
Chief Mate Class 2.


S.Simon


LOL In other words you don't know the answer.
As to your question - neither.
I'm asking about ships, that sail upon oceans (i.e. what we've been discussing)
so that means a Mate, who holds a license which says:
Chief Mate of Steam and Motor Vessels of Any Gross Tons Upon Oceans ..... or
higher.

You should've known about the different classes of Chief Mates.
There are licenses and then there are positions aboard a ship.
It shows your knowledge is a little lacking. But, to answer your
question, because I most certainly do know the answer, a Chief
Mate's duties include:

Reporting to the Master as the head of the Deck Department and
assuming responsibility and command of the ship in the absence or
disability of the Master. He's responsible for personnel and the
proper operation, maintenance, and safety of equipment and spaces
under Deck Department jurisdiction. (EOT cranes, for instance!)

The Chief plans and supervises work of Deck Department personnel
and is responsible for fair allocation of leave and working hours including
scheduling of vacations. He keeps the Master informed of Deck
Department condition and conduct and reliability of deck personnel.

Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness.

Normally he stands a 4-8 bridge watch, posts qualified and alert lookouts
during watch at sea to ensure a properly maintained and efficient watch
and checks to see that the Quartermaster steers the correct course, and
that lookouts carry out all orders. He maneuvers ship under the Master's
general supervision.

Let me see what else . . . Trying to remember my last stint as Chief.

He's the ship's damage control and training officer and he may supervise
Second and Third Officers. He verifies muster and station bills are
properly prepared and posted, and that fire fighting and lifesaving
equipment are in good condition and the crew is properly trained in its
use. He may conduct training sessions if necessary. He's in charge on
deck during fire and boat drills and ensures personnel know their
emergency stations and duties. He may act as Medical Officer
in conjunction with Master.

There's more but that should be enough to satisfy you. In other words
the Chief is really running the ship and doing the Master's job while the
Master gets all the credit.

I hope this helps.

S.Simon - a Master with nine months volunteer service as Chief Mate
on a small, private research vessel

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

OK, turnabout is fair play so I'll play your game by asking you if
you're asking about the duties of a Chief Mate Class 1 or a
Chief Mate Class 2.


S.Simon


LOL In other words you don't know the answer.
As to your question - neither.
I'm asking about ships, that sail upon oceans (i.e. what we've been
discussing)
so that means a Mate, who holds a license which says:
Chief Mate of Steam and Motor Vessels of Any Gross Tons Upon Oceans .....
or
higher.

You should've known about the different classes of Chief Mates.
There are licenses and then there are positions aboard a ship.
It shows your knowledge is a little lacking.

ROFL I gotta hear this .... please do explain ..... lets assume by the way, I
was talking about a particular license and above, that held a particular
position aboard a ship. I'm dying to hear your discription of Class1 and Class2
(would love to know which book he's reading)

But, to answer your
question, because I most certainly do know the answer, a Chief
Mate's duties include:

Reporting to the Master as the head of the Deck Department and
assuming responsibility and command of the ship in the absence or
disability of the Master. He's responsible for personnel and the
proper operation, maintenance, and safety of equipment and spaces
under Deck Department jurisdiction. (EOT cranes, for instance!)

So far, right out of someone's book .....

The Chief plans and supervises work of Deck Department personnel
and is responsible for fair allocation of leave and working hours including
scheduling of vacations.

Nope, well partial .... on a ship, the CM has nothing to do with leave and/or
vacation.

He keeps the Master informed of Deck
Department condition and conduct and reliability of deck personnel.

LOL where are you c&ping this from?

Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness.

he's only "one" who does this.

Normally he stands a 4-8 bridge watch, posts qualified and alert lookouts
during watch at sea to ensure a properly maintained and efficient watch
and checks to see that the Quartermaster steers the correct course, and
that lookouts carry out all orders. He maneuvers ship under the Master's
general supervision.

ROFL Gawd, at least you could use your own words!!! BTW, all Mates do the
above, on their respective watches.

Let me see what else . . . Trying to remember my last stint as Chief.

ROFLMAO.... Your use of the term "Chief", means you never sailed on a ship, as
CM.

He's the ship's damage control and training officer and he may supervise
Second and Third Officers. He verifies muster and station bills are
properly prepared and posted, and that fire fighting and lifesaving
equipment are in good condition and the crew is properly trained in its
use. He may conduct training sessions if necessary.

Partial ..... some of the above is allocated differently from ship to ship ....
but, since you're reading from a book, you wouldn't know that.

He's in charge on
deck during fire and boat drills and ensures personnel know their
emergency stations and duties.

Partial ....typically, your book is only giving a basic read.

He may act as Medical Officer
in conjunction with Master.


Not normally correct.

There's more but that should be enough to satisfy you. In other words
the Chief is really running the ship and doing the Master's job while the
Master gets all the credit.

I hope this helps.

S.Simon - a Master with nine months volunteer service as Chief Mate
on a small, private research vessel


ROFL Well, it took you long enough to look all this up. It's obvious you were
copying from a book and don't have a clue...... Ya see, Neal,...... YOU MISSED
THE MAIN FUNCTION OF A CHIEF MATE!!

Shen

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ROFL Well, it took you long enough to look all this up. It's obvious you were
copying from a book and don't have a clue...... Ya see, Neal,...... YOU MISSED
THE MAIN FUNCTION OF A CHIEF MATE!!


And, what may that be? Remember, I said I've never been on the bridge of
a big ship so it's not to surprising that duties vary according to the size
of the vessel.

And, I didn't get it out of a book. I remembered it the best I could and
tried to put it in big ship terms since you are as ignorant of small vessels
as I am of big ships.

S.Simon

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

ROFL Well, it took you long enough to look all this up. It's obvious you
were
copying from a book and don't have a clue...... Ya see, Neal,...... YOU
MISSED
THE MAIN FUNCTION OF A CHIEF MATE!!


And, what may that be? Remember, I said I've never been on the bridge of
a big ship so it's not to surprising that duties vary according to the size
of the vessel.

And, I didn't get it out of a book. I remembered it the best I could and
tried to put it in big ship terms since you are as ignorant of small vessels
as I am of big ships.

S.Simon


ROFL Neal, it's always obvious when you've been caught out in a lie or trying
to say something that you've either made up or read from a book.
Just like you above, you've failed to comment on the Class1, Class2 Mates, for
the reason that you can't explain the difference or need for the classes (your
book didn't cover that).....nor did you respond to any other statement (you
will always quote only those items you THINK you might be right about and
simply ignore the rest.)
The main responsibility of the CM, on any ship (has nothing to do with size) is
CARGO. He's responsible for setting up the load (shoreside does this for dry
cargo and containers, but he must confirm)....how much, where, stability,
stress, draft at load port, draft at arrival.If you're on a tanker, he does it
all, plus supervises all loading and discharging.
Basically, in port, the ship belongs to the CM.

There's a whole heck of a lot more to it than this, but it's a start. BTW, I've
got more time, knowledge, and experience on small vessels, than you'll ever
have ....probably more types, to boot.

ROFL, pack it up Neal, as per usual, you're in over your head.....course....if
you'd like to take a crack at Class1, Class2 Mates, feel free .... BTW, until
you've got some time under your belt, never refer to yourself as "Chief", in
front of the C.E.

Shen

Capt. Shen,

Perhaps you need to go back and read my answers again.

I wrote, among other things:

"Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness."

Do you see that little 'cargo' word? Maybe you need to spend
a little less time rolling on the floor laughing and use the time
gained to clean your glasses or get a new prescription?

As for Class1 and Class2 I'll waste no time on explanations
because you are so dense anyway. However, I will provide
you with a link wherin you can read it for yourself.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/sd/mo/MO_main/MO03.pdf

Check out chapter 6 - Certificates to be held.

Sorry, it's beginning to look like YOU and otn are
the Novice Masters around here. Bwaaahahahahahaah!

S.Simon - a Captain who knows of what he speaks



"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

ROFL Neal, it's always obvious when you've been caught out in a lie or trying
to say something that you've either made up or read from a book.
Just like you above, you've failed to comment on the Class1, Class2 Mates, for
the reason that you can't explain the difference or need for the classes (your
book didn't cover that).....nor did you respond to any other statement (you
will always quote only those items you THINK you might be right about and
simply ignore the rest.)
The main responsibility of the CM, on any ship (has nothing to do with size) is
CARGO. He's responsible for setting up the load (shoreside does this for dry
cargo and containers, but he must confirm)....how much, where, stability,
stress, draft at load port, draft at arrival.If you're on a tanker, he does it
all, plus supervises all loading and discharging.
Basically, in port, the ship belongs to the CM.

There's a whole heck of a lot more to it than this, but it's a start. BTW, I've
got more time, knowledge, and experience on small vessels, than you'll ever
have ....probably more types, to boot.

ROFL, pack it up Neal, as per usual, you're in over your head.....course....if
you'd like to take a crack at Class1, Class2 Mates, feel free .... BTW, until
you've got some time under your belt, never refer to yourself as "Chief", in
front of the C.E.

Shen

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

Capt. Shen,

Perhaps you need to go back and read my answers again.

I wrote, among other things:

"Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness."

I read that ... that's a generic duty of all Mates, and has nothing to do with
his main duty, regarding cargo. Nope, you failed again.

Do you see that little 'cargo' word? Maybe you need to spend
a little less time rolling on the floor laughing and use the time
gained to clean your glasses or get a new prescription?

ROFLMAO

As for Class1 and Class2 I'll waste no time on explanations
because you are so dense anyway. However, I will provide
you with a link wherin you can read it for yourself.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/sd/mo/MO_main/MO03.pdf

Check out chapter 6 - Certificates to be held.

Sorry, it's beginning to look like YOU and otn are
the Novice Masters around here. Bwaaahahahahahaah!

S.Simon - a Captain who knows of what he speaks

ROFLMAO (still) Was wondering which country you were talking about. How much
time did you waste finding that? No matter, changes nothing ... Class1 ,
Class2, limited, or unlimited, the wording changes nuffin.

Chief Mate is the "main man" when it comes to cargo, which is his duty that you
didn't know, as expected.

Shen

Give it a rest, Simple Simian, it's obvious you're reading from a book
and have no "first hand" experience.
Shen, same applies (give it a rest), Simple's proved, once again, he
hasn't a clue .... he's still and always will be, a licensed wannabe.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
"Shen44" wrote in message ...

ROFL Well, it took you long enough to look all this up. It's obvious you were
copying from a book and don't have a clue...... Ya see, Neal,...... YOU MISSED
THE MAIN FUNCTION OF A CHIEF MATE!!



And, what may that be? Remember, I said I've never been on the bridge of
a big ship so it's not to surprising that duties vary according to the size
of the vessel.

And, I didn't get it out of a book. I remembered it the best I could and
tried to put it in big ship terms since you are as ignorant of small vessels
as I am of big ships.

S.Simon