Capt. Shen,

Perhaps you need to go back and read my answers again.

I wrote, among other things:

"Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness."

Do you see that little 'cargo' word? Maybe you need to spend
a little less time rolling on the floor laughing and use the time
gained to clean your glasses or get a new prescription?

As for Class1 and Class2 I'll waste no time on explanations
because you are so dense anyway. However, I will provide
you with a link wherin you can read it for yourself.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/sd/mo/MO_main/MO03.pdf

Check out chapter 6 - Certificates to be held.

Sorry, it's beginning to look like YOU and otn are
the Novice Masters around here. Bwaaahahahahahaah!

S.Simon - a Captain who knows of what he speaks



"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

ROFL Neal, it's always obvious when you've been caught out in a lie or trying
to say something that you've either made up or read from a book.
Just like you above, you've failed to comment on the Class1, Class2 Mates, for
the reason that you can't explain the difference or need for the classes (your
book didn't cover that).....nor did you respond to any other statement (you
will always quote only those items you THINK you might be right about and
simply ignore the rest.)
The main responsibility of the CM, on any ship (has nothing to do with size) is
CARGO. He's responsible for setting up the load (shoreside does this for dry
cargo and containers, but he must confirm)....how much, where, stability,
stress, draft at load port, draft at arrival.If you're on a tanker, he does it
all, plus supervises all loading and discharging.
Basically, in port, the ship belongs to the CM.

There's a whole heck of a lot more to it than this, but it's a start. BTW, I've
got more time, knowledge, and experience on small vessels, than you'll ever
have ....probably more types, to boot.

ROFL, pack it up Neal, as per usual, you're in over your head.....course....if
you'd like to take a crack at Class1, Class2 Mates, feel free .... BTW, until
you've got some time under your belt, never refer to yourself as "Chief", in
front of the C.E.

Shen

Unfortunately . . .

Otn, constantly underestimates me and uses scorn instead
of an open mind. You, at least, are a worthy when it comes
to discussions which you lose to me more often than not
in the end. But, at least you refuse to give up and that's a
necessary and good quality when it comes to success on
the high seas.

Could it be otn wanted you to stop treating with me because
he sensed I was about to spring yet another trap? (As I have
done in my reply to you with a link proving classes of Chief
Mates are valid?) Nah! the fellow isn't that bright, I'm afraid.

S.Simon - otn's nemisis and your mentor


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: otnmbrd
Date: 09/03/2003 17:23 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Give it a rest, Simple Simian, it's obvious you're reading from a book
and have no "first hand" experience.
Shen, same applies (give it a rest), Simple's proved, once again, he
hasn't a clue .... he's still and always will be, a licensed wannabe.

otn

Sheesh, you can be such an old phart, at times. Neal's fun .... he's a
knowitallrankamateur, who stubs his toe more often than you can see yours.
Now, I'll admit he's lacking in experience, but at least he tries (even if he
fails in his attempts, 99.99999% of the time).

Shen

EG Figured you were trying to pull one of your stupid woid games, but
wasn't sure which country you would be using.
How long did it take to find the Australian regs?
Kindly note that all the "Classes" really refer to is tonnage
restrictions on a license, not the duties.
As to underestimating you, not hardly .... you've got an overblown ego,
with no substance, and experience, to back it up.
Sorry neally, reading from some manual about CM duties, doesn't make you
knowledgeable about those duties, as was quite evident from what you quoted.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
Unfortunately . . .

Otn, constantly underestimates me and uses scorn instead
of an open mind. You, at least, are a worthy when it comes
to discussions which you lose to me more often than not
in the end. But, at least you refuse to give up and that's a
necessary and good quality when it comes to success on
the high seas.

Could it be otn wanted you to stop treating with me because
he sensed I was about to spring yet another trap? (As I have
done in my reply to you with a link proving classes of Chief
Mates are valid?) Nah! the fellow isn't that bright, I'm afraid.

S.Simon - otn's nemisis and your mentor


"Shen44" wrote in message ...

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: otnmbrd
Date: 09/03/2003 17:23 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Give it a rest, Simple Simian, it's obvious you're reading from a book
and have no "first hand" experience.
Shen, same applies (give it a rest), Simple's proved, once again, he
hasn't a clue .... he's still and always will be, a licensed wannabe.

otn

Sheesh, you can be such an old phart, at times. Neal's fun .... he's a
knowitallrankamateur, who stubs his toe more often than you can see yours.
Now, I'll admit he's lacking in experience, but at least he tries (even if he
fails in his attempts, 99.99999% of the time).

Shen

"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:58:36 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:

Caen Canal. Pegasus Bridge. Yes, the first bridge that was captured
on
D-Day.

IIRC, it opens at 10:30 am each day.

Ahh yes, I do remeber that one.

What I forgot is that you actually sail across the channel to France.

You thought that I only sailed to Cowes???

I may be a novice, or even apprentice seaman, but I do actually sail a
little bit.


You misinterpret my natural modesty - and assume that I have less than
15,000 sea miles under my belt!


Regards


Donal
--

What've you got against Australians and their regs?
I'd say they're Chief Mates are every bit as good or
perhaps better than their American counterparts if you
and Shen are any indication.

The fact remains there are plenty of damned foreigners
operating ships on the high seas. Matter of fact, there's
more of them than there is of us. Even Shen wouldn't
argue that fact. Shipping is an international industry.
People who work cheap are the ones most often
employed. Foreigners work cheap! They're not
used to the high standards of living we enjoy in
the U.S.of A.

Maybe if you and Shen got off those little tugboats
on the Western Rivers you'd know a little more
about the world. You guys don't fool me! It's too
easy to show you up. You can't be real Unlimited
Ocean Masters.

Australians have Class 1 and Class 2 Chief Mates.
The link I found proves it beyond a doubt.
I knew it all along but Shen, who's supposed to be some
big-time, know-it-all muckity muck, was ignorant of
the fact. He never even heard of it. He was gloating
because he thought he had caught in a corner.
S'matter Mr. Shen - never had an Australian Mate?

I'd say I proved him wrong and showed his ignorance
and thus I won the argument. You guys underestimated
me yet again. Even the two of you working together
can't hold a candle to me - what do you call me, a
'novice captain'? He's just upset and isn't replying
because to be beat by a 25GT Nearshore Master
when he claims to be an Unlimited Master has got
to be humiliating.

He he he he he!

S.Simon - a Nearshore Master who's the equal of any
of the top ratings


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
EG Figured you were trying to pull one of your stupid woid games, but
wasn't sure which country you would be using.
How long did it take to find the Australian regs?
Kindly note that all the "Classes" really refer to is tonnage
restrictions on a license, not the duties.
As to underestimating you, not hardly .... you've got an overblown ego,
with no substance, and experience, to back it up.
Sorry neally, reading from some manual about CM duties, doesn't make you
knowledgeable about those duties, as was quite evident from what you quoted.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
Unfortunately . . .

Otn, constantly underestimates me and uses scorn instead
of an open mind. You, at least, are a worthy when it comes
to discussions which you lose to me more often than not
in the end. But, at least you refuse to give up and that's a
necessary and good quality when it comes to success on
the high seas.

Could it be otn wanted you to stop treating with me because
he sensed I was about to spring yet another trap? (As I have
done in my reply to you with a link proving classes of Chief
Mates are valid?) Nah! the fellow isn't that bright, I'm afraid.

S.Simon - otn's nemisis and your mentor


"Shen44" wrote in message ...

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: otnmbrd
Date: 09/03/2003 17:23 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Give it a rest, Simple Simian, it's obvious you're reading from a book
and have no "first hand" experience.
Shen, same applies (give it a rest), Simple's proved, once again, he
hasn't a clue .... he's still and always will be, a licensed wannabe.

otn

Sheesh, you can be such an old phart, at times. Neal's fun .... he's a
knowitallrankamateur, who stubs his toe more often than you can see yours.
Now, I'll admit he's lacking in experience, but at least he tries (even if he
fails in his attempts, 99.99999% of the time).

Shen

Comments, as needed .....

Simple Simon wrote:
What've you got against Australians and their regs?
I'd say they're Chief Mates are every bit as good or
perhaps better than their American counterparts if you
and Shen are any indication.

GHave nothing agin them, but there licensing has nothing to do with
duties of a 1st Mate, which you obviously didn't know.
Class1 or Class 2, the 1st Mate is the Cargo King, and you didn't know that.

The fact remains there are plenty of damned foreigners
operating ships on the high seas. Matter of fact, there's
more of them than there is of us. Even Shen wouldn't
argue that fact. Shipping is an international industry.
People who work cheap are the ones most often
employed. Foreigners work cheap! They're not
used to the high standards of living we enjoy in
the U.S.of A.

And your point is? The subject was duties of the 1st Mate ....
typically, you blew it.

Maybe if you and Shen got off those little tugboats
on the Western Rivers you'd know a little more
about the world. You guys don't fool me! It's too
easy to show you up. You can't be real Unlimited
Ocean Masters.

BG I only get on tugboats, to get where I'm going .... a ship.
Lame try to change the subject, Neally .... but, up to your limited
standards and abilities.

Australians have Class 1 and Class 2 Chief Mates.
The link I found proves it beyond a doubt.
I knew it all along but Shen, who's supposed to be some
big-time, know-it-all muckity muck, was ignorant of
the fact. He never even heard of it. He was gloating
because he thought he had caught in a corner.
S'matter Mr. Shen - never had an Australian Mate?

We sailed on US flag ships .... Australian Mates not allowed, and as I
said, the classes you are so fond of trying to mention, have nothing to
do with the question he asked .... wassamatter, can't admit another failure?

I'd say I proved him wrong and showed his ignorance
and thus I won the argument. You guys underestimated
me yet again. Even the two of you working together
can't hold a candle to me - what do you call me, a
'novice captain'? He's just upset and isn't replying
because to be beat by a 25GT Nearshore Master
when he claims to be an Unlimited Master has got
to be humiliating.

He he he he he!

S.Simon - a Nearshore Master who's the equal of any
of the top ratings

BEG You are pathetic. You lost, period. You couldn't answer the
question, and as per usual tried the BS route to cover your butt.....and
failed miserably, as per usual...... You're like some guy who's trying
to shovel the Horse manure out of a stall, into a 30k breeze coming
through the stall door ..... and can't understand why he's not getting
anywhere and is covered in chit.

otn

Subject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"

Capt. Shen,

Perhaps you need to go back and read my answers again.

I wrote, among other things:

"Prior to sailing the Chief Mate ensures the ship and all gear, cargo and
related items are secure for sea. He reports to the Master on status of
the crew and ship's readiness."

I read that ... that's a generic duty of all Mates, and has nothing to do with
his main duty, regarding cargo. Nope, you failed again.

Do you see that little 'cargo' word? Maybe you need to spend
a little less time rolling on the floor laughing and use the time
gained to clean your glasses or get a new prescription?

ROFLMAO

As for Class1 and Class2 I'll waste no time on explanations
because you are so dense anyway. However, I will provide
you with a link wherin you can read it for yourself.

http://www.amsa.gov.au/sd/mo/MO_main/MO03.pdf

Check out chapter 6 - Certificates to be held.

Sorry, it's beginning to look like YOU and otn are
the Novice Masters around here. Bwaaahahahahahaah!

S.Simon - a Captain who knows of what he speaks

ROFLMAO (still) Was wondering which country you were talking about. How much
time did you waste finding that? No matter, changes nothing ... Class1 ,
Class2, limited, or unlimited, the wording changes nuffin.

Chief Mate is the "main man" when it comes to cargo, which is his duty that you
didn't know, as expected.

Shen

ubject: Radar and Basic Nav.
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 09/04/2003 07:46 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Unfortunately . . .

Otn, constantly underestimates me and uses scorn instead
of an open mind. You, at least, are a worthy when it comes
to discussions which you lose to me more often than not
in the end. But, at least you refuse to give up and that's a
necessary and good quality when it comes to success on
the high seas.

Could it be otn wanted you to stop treating with me because
he sensed I was about to spring yet another trap? (As I have
done in my reply to you with a link proving classes of Chief
Mates are valid?) Nah! the fellow isn't that bright, I'm afraid.

S.Simon - otn's nemisis and your mentor

S******, you still don't get it, do you. The "class" you are putting so much
weight on, is nothing more than a different way of saying "tonnage limitation"
in the US, and has nothing to do with Chief Mate duties.
BTW, Saw your attempted trap (figured you were talking UK, but didn't bother to
check, since I "checkmated" it by specifying a US license.

Shen