Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

I replaced my 4200 with a NextGen 3.5 Kw unit (www.nextgenerationpower.com)
that utilizes a Kubota engine and other parts that are available anywhere. For
me, being able to repair it anywhere is a key issue.

Reading this dummies account shows he failed to do his homework. His attack on
the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a Panda and
they never had a problem.

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

I have started a new webpage for idiots who spam newsgroups
with material not related in any way to sailing. Check it out at

www.Geoffrey_W._Schultz_Sucks.com



"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 4.17...
I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

I replaced my 4200 with a NextGen 3.5 Kw unit (www.nextgenerationpower.com)
that utilizes a Kubota engine and other parts that are available anywhere.
For
me, being able to repair it anywhere is a key issue.

Reading this dummies account shows he failed to do his homework. His attack
on
the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a Panda
and
they never had a problem.

RB

As usual, you pipe up without any knowledge of the situation. Fischer Panda
makes a number of models and the 4 (along with others - it seems only the 8
works) is WIDELY known to be a poor design, with many complaints about it by
people who are out there trying to use it. Your knowledge is limited to glossy
magazines which take FP's ad dollars, so you wouldn't know any of this. For
example, try:

http://www.sailcharbonneau.com/FischerPandaFails.htm

There are many others.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Fischer Panda
makes a number of models and the 4 (along with others - it seems only the 8
works) is WIDELY known to be a poor design, with many complaints about it by
people who are out there trying to use it.

Skitch, you're soooo eager to attack that you repeatedly crap your pants!
Read my post...I already said the guy didn't do his homework.
Duhhhhhhh! You idiot!!!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

(Bobsprit) wrote in
:

I replaced my 4200 with a NextGen 3.5 Kw unit
(www.nextgenerationpower.com) that utilizes a Kubota engine and other
parts that are available anywhere. For me, being able to repair it
anywhere is a key issue.

Reading this dummies account shows he failed to do his homework. His
attack on the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a
Panda and they never had a problem.

So the fact that there's a boat in your marina that has a Fischer Panda
that works is proof that they all work and they're reliable generators?
Huh?

When I bought my generator I tried to do my homework. I searched the net
and found very little info on them. Do a Google search prior to 1999 and
tell me what you find. Nothing.

I'm trying to rectify that. The fact of the matter is that while cruising
I've found other owners that have had worse problems than I have. My
problems are not unique.

-- Geoff

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz


This guy is *still* on his crusade! Amazing.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

When I bought my generator I tried to do my homework. I searched the net
and found very little info on them.

Exactly. And with little to no information you proceeded anyway.

Capt RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Geoff,

I, unfortunately, have been in this sort of situation before. I've
learned from my mistakes. Before I make a major purchase,
I do some research to avoid costly mistakes.

Jonathan

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
9.17...
(Bobsprit) wrote in
:

I replaced my 4200 with a NextGen 3.5 Kw unit
(www.nextgenerationpower.com) that utilizes a Kubota engine and other
parts that are available anywhere. For me, being able to repair it
anywhere is a key issue.

Reading this dummies account shows he failed to do his homework. His
attack on the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a
Panda and they never had a problem.

So the fact that there's a boat in your marina that has a Fischer Panda
that works is proof that they all work and they're reliable generators?
Huh?

When I bought my generator I tried to do my homework. I searched the net
and found very little info on them. Do a Google search prior to 1999 and
tell me what you find. Nothing.

I'm trying to rectify that. The fact of the matter is that while cruising
I've found other owners that have had worse problems than I have. My
problems are not unique.

-- Geoff

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Fantastic page! Thanks!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I have started a new webpage for idiots who spam newsgroups
with material not related in any way to sailing. Check it out at

www.Geoffrey_W._Schultz_Sucks.com



"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message
4.17...
I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator
and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is
an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the
good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
| This guy is *still* on his crusade! Amazing.

Yeah... and if some dipwad company ripped me off by misrepresenting their
product... I'd be just as bad a thorn in their side. You on the other hand
are fatalist with a sheep like mentality and the result is companies that
can and will rip people off.... because you've laid the groundwork for their
assumptions.

The only IDIOT here is You!!!

CM

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Yeah... and if some dipwad company ripped me off by misrepresenting their
product... I'd be just as bad a thorn in their side.

Way to go mooron. You only know one side of the story. Meanwhile, I notice that
this sort of thing tends to happen to a certain sort of person...people like
you!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Fischer Panda
makes a number of models and the 4 (along with others - it seems only the 8
works) is WIDELY known to be a poor design, with many complaints about it by
people who are out there trying to use it.

Skitch, you're soooo eager to attack that you repeatedly crap your pants!
Read my post...I already said the guy didn't do his homework.
Duhhhhhhh! You idiot!!!

RB

Wrong, Bob. The old standard Brody change-my-message-midstream ploy is getting
pretty old. You need a vacation.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Wrong, Bob. The old standard Brody change-my-message-midstream ploy

AND you're a BUSTED liar!!!

Reading this dummies account shows he failed to do his homework. His attack
on
the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a Panda and
they never had a problem.

Busted again, Skitchy!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

His attack
on
the company is a long standing and rather odd affair.
Worth reading for laughs. There's a 48 foot ketch at my Marina with a Panda
and
they never had a problem.

Liar? Now aint that a hoot.

Rather odd affair? The boat in your marina never had a problem? In addition
to the "change-my-message-midstream" ploy, you've now been caught using the two
other tired standard Brody tactics of (i) claiming to know someone who has
experienced every possible sailing-related circumstance despite keeping a boat
in a marina full of boaters who are never out of spitting distance of land
(lets call it the "imaginary-friend" ploy) and (ii) the old tried and true
"Busted, liar!!!" move.

You've always been a poor sailor, but now you're even getting to be a poor,
boring troll. So, back under the bridge with you now, at least as regards real
sailing posts.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

The last company that tried to rip me off ended up so jammed and harassed
they begged off and completed the warranty work as promised.... to My
satisfaction!!! I had every agency and group I could write a complaint to
take action. I didn't let up until they lived up to their obligations.

Once you settle for the ever prevalent attitude of lack luster or non
existing after market service and hold the vendors to their guarantees it
sets precedence for how they will treat their customers in the future.

Buy the product and DEMAND they address any problems with their product. To
settle for less allows this flagrant disregard for customers.

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Yeah... and if some dipwad company ripped me off by misrepresenting their
| product... I'd be just as bad a thorn in their side.
|
| Way to go mooron. You only know one side of the story. Meanwhile, I notice
that
| this sort of thing tends to happen to a certain sort of person...people
like
| you!
|
| RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Rather odd affair? The boat in your marina never had a problem?

Angelina, a big CC Ketch, owned by Tim and Rebecca, out on the inner spot of
the N. Breakwater. You're welcome to talk to them. They're liveaboards.
Go talk to them about their genset.

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

You've always been a poor sailor, but now you're even getting to be a poor,
boring troll.

Aint I a stinker??!!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

The last company that tried to rip me off ended up so jammed and harassed
they begged off and completed the warranty work as promised

Never happened to me. You probably have "victim" written all over you.
Of course Skitch has "Idiot" written all over him!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

You're making assumptions again... they didn't know me... until their
product ****ed up. Now they know me really well and are thinking there might
be others out there just like me. I got a nice letter saying they had
addressed the problem and hoped we could do business again. They didn't care
before... they do now!

.... all because I cared enough to hold them up to the level of quality and
service they advertised. Something you're to fat and lazy to do... because
you've never worked a day in your life for your money Bob!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| The last company that tried to rip me off ended up so jammed and harassed
| they begged off and completed the warranty work as promised
|
| Never happened to me. You probably have "victim" written all over you.
| Of course Skitch has "Idiot" written all over him!!!
|
| Bwahahahahahaha!
|
| RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Rather odd affair? The boat in your marina never had a problem?

Angelina, a big CC Ketch, owned by Tim and Rebecca, out on the inner spot of
the N. Breakwater. You're welcome to talk to them. They're liveaboards.
Go talk to them about their genset.

Broken down old ferrocement ketch - hubby has one eye and Rebecca has a hump on
her back and drools a lot? Yea, I know them. No help coming from them.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

You're making assumptions again... they didn't know me... until their
product ****ed up. Now they know me really well and are thinking there might
be others out there just like me. I got a nice letter saying they had
addressed the problem and hoped we could do business again. They didn't care
before... they do now!

... all because I cared enough to hold them up to the level of quality and
service they advertised. Something you're to fat and lazy to do... because
you've never worked a day in your life for your money Bob!

CM

Absolutely. Bob gets ripped off by companies like these and brags about it
because he paid a lot for "quality" goods.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

That'll be Booby in 10 years methinks.

Cheers MC

SkitchNYC wrote:


Broken down old ferrocement ketch - hubby has one eye and Rebecca has a hump on
her back and drools a lot? Yea, I know them. No help coming from them.

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

You're making assumptions again... they didn't know me... until their
product ****ed up. Now they know me really well and are thinking there might
be others out there just like me. I got a nice letter saying they had

What magical company is this. Like most of your posts, it sounds quickly
constructed. I'm guessing you didn't get a prize in your Cracker Jacks!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Broken down old ferrocement ketch - hubby has one eye and Rebecca has a hump on
her back and drools a lot? Yea, I know them. No help coming from them.

Ketch is teak. Keep trying!

RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Why close the door after the horse gets out of the barn?

A real sailor checks out products prior to purchasing them.

Take Coronado Yachts, for example. They built such a
quality product that they never had a warranty claim placed
against them. I bet Nordica is almost as good. On the other
hand, C&C Yachts has a greater number of warranty claims
than any other yacht builder besides MacGregor Yachts.

S.Simon - buys quality and smiles


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
The last company that tried to rip me off ended up so jammed and harassed
they begged off and completed the warranty work as promised.... to My
satisfaction!!! I had every agency and group I could write a complaint to
take action. I didn't let up until they lived up to their obligations.

Once you settle for the ever prevalent attitude of lack luster or non
existing after market service and hold the vendors to their guarantees it
sets precedence for how they will treat their customers in the future.

Buy the product and DEMAND they address any problems with their product. To
settle for less allows this flagrant disregard for customers.

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Yeah... and if some dipwad company ripped me off by misrepresenting their
| product... I'd be just as bad a thorn in their side.
|
| Way to go mooron. You only know one side of the story. Meanwhile, I notice
that
| this sort of thing tends to happen to a certain sort of person...people
like
| you!
|
| RB

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

It's not that I don't concur with your method of purchasing quality... it's
that if the manufacturer screws up and then plays the denial card.... Bob
would walk away not wanting to cause a fuss. I'd get the company's attention
in a big way and demand satisfaction!!!

Bob just settles for less and sulks....

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| Why close the door after the horse gets out of the barn?
|
| A real sailor checks out products prior to purchasing them.
|
| Take Coronado Yachts, for example. They built such a
| quality product that they never had a warranty claim placed
| against them. I bet Nordica is almost as good. On the other
| hand, C&C Yachts has a greater number of warranty claims
| than any other yacht builder besides MacGregor Yachts.
|
| S.Simon - buys quality and smiles
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| The last company that tried to rip me off ended up so jammed and
harassed
| they begged off and completed the warranty work as promised.... to My
| satisfaction!!! I had every agency and group I could write a complaint
to
| take action. I didn't let up until they lived up to their obligations.
|
| Once you settle for the ever prevalent attitude of lack luster or non
| existing after market service and hold the vendors to their guarantees
it
| sets precedence for how they will treat their customers in the future.
|
| Buy the product and DEMAND they address any problems with their product.
To
| settle for less allows this flagrant disregard for customers.
|
| CM
|
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| | Yeah... and if some dipwad company ripped me off by misrepresenting
their
| | product... I'd be just as bad a thorn in their side.
| |
| | Way to go mooron. You only know one side of the story. Meanwhile, I
notice
| that
| | this sort of thing tends to happen to a certain sort of
person...people
| like
| | you!
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

Geoffrey, your pointer to Next Generation Power doesn't work off the
forum. I found another website I think belongs to them, truckgen.com,
but it is also a dead link from Google.

Have they gone pitchpole on us, too?



On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:07 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote:

I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz


Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

That link had been working as of last week. I suspect that it's a
problem with their web hosting site. Just try later this work week.

-- Geoff


(Larry W4CSC) wrote in
:

Geoffrey, your pointer to Next Generation Power doesn't work off the
forum. I found another website I think belongs to them, truckgen.com,
but it is also a dead link from Google.

Have they gone pitchpole on us, too?



On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:07 GMT, "Geoffrey W. Schultz"
wrote:

I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator
and know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This
forum is an attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic.
The forum is located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the
good and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz


Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Fischer Panda Owner's Forum
 

"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote in message 04.17...
I've created a Fischer Panda Owner's Forum to act as a repository for
information related to these generators. If you own (or owned) one of
these generators, please post your history/experience in the forum.

I personally have had non-stop problems with my 4200 (mini) generator and
know of many other owners who have had similar problems. This forum is an
attempt to see if these problems are unique or systemic. The forum is
located at

www.FischerPandaSucks.com

and despite the URL, the intent is to collect information on both the good
and the bad.

-- Geoff Schultz

Never had one, my buds boat did from the factory. I think in the 1st
year it ran a couple hours, went in the shop 3 times. He sold the
boat, a month later the generator broke again the buyer said. Not
ready for prime time, definently not a honda thats fer sure