"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Absolutely correct. A friend, who is in the merchant marine has told me
that someone is always sent to the bow in thick fog.

I'm surprised that otn is unaware of good practise!


Regards


Donal
--

ROFL ...... shhhhhhhhhh

otn

Donal wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
. net...

That's why you are and probably always will be, an amateur, Donal.
Anyone with any experience and common sense would have learned to expect
the unexpected and always keep the possibilities in mind, no matter how
slight the chances.



It is very refreshing to see that you acknowledge that a motor vessel
reducing it's speed to bare steerageway would be "unexpected".



Regards


Donal
--





otn

Donal wrote:


"Shen44" wrote in message
...


OOPS ....Forgot one:

What if the sailboat comes out of the fog (and can see the motor vessel)

and


finds itself overtaking the motor vessel, because the motor vessel has

reduced


speed to bare steerageway?


I'd be much more concerned about the risk of collision with a low flying
pig!

Regards


Donal
--

Hey stupid. The bridge is where the ship is maneuvered from. One does
not make maneuvers based on scanty information. One make maneuvers,
after the lookout reports the sighting, and some idea as to the movement
of the other vessel can be determined.
Sheesh, you are such an inexperienced piece of junk......knowing you are
there, and knowing what you are doing and how to react to it, are two
different things.
You haven't got the common sense or intelligence of one of my Mastiff's,
and they are well known for a low brain cell count.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Read the Rules pertaining to keeping a lookout.
It says nothing about keeping a lookout on the
bridge only. You are required to be aware of
other vessels around you even if it requires posting
a man or men at the bow, at the stern and any place
else not visible from the bridge.

You really embarrassed yourself this time. What an
ignoramous!

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message t...

It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:


otnmbrd wrote:



If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Very much aware, but also aware that the information supplied, is only
the beginning of the process to react.

otn

Donal wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.


Absolutely correct. A friend, who is in the merchant marine has told me
that someone is always sent to the bow in thick fog.

I'm surprised that otn is unaware of good practise!


Regards


Donal
--

Slipperier than an eel you are. Slippery but not much
smarter than one, unfortunately. Your statement about
if a vessel can't see the bridge of a ship then the ship
cannot see the vessel was stupid, myopic, arrogant,
ignorant, dangerous and unfortunate for you.

It was a disgraceful thing for a licensed Master who claims
to be in charge of large ships to maintain. It shows the
arrogant attitude big ships have towards smaller vessels.
It is the attitude that results in collisions and loss of life.
It is the attitude the COLREGS were written to squash.

Shame on you for requiring a mere 25GT Near Coastal
Master to point out how much of an inept captain you really
are.

S.Simon - keeps a proper watch in all directions


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Hey stupid. The bridge is where the ship is maneuvered from. One does
not make maneuvers based on scanty information. One make maneuvers,
after the lookout reports the sighting, and some idea as to the movement
of the other vessel can be determined.
Sheesh, you are such an inexperienced piece of junk......knowing you are
there, and knowing what you are doing and how to react to it, are two
different things.
You haven't got the common sense or intelligence of one of my Mastiff's,
and they are well known for a low brain cell count.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Read the Rules pertaining to keeping a lookout.
It says nothing about keeping a lookout on the
bridge only. You are required to be aware of
other vessels around you even if it requires posting
a man or men at the bow, at the stern and any place
else not visible from the bridge.

You really embarrassed yourself this time. What an
ignoramous!

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message t...

It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:


otnmbrd wrote:



If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

1. Read rule 7 (c)
2. Your post below shows just how stupid and inexperienced you are.
3. Keep trying Neal, but know that we all consider you an incompetent,
inexperienced danger to us all.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Slipperier than an eel you are. Slippery but not much
smarter than one, unfortunately. Your statement about
if a vessel can't see the bridge of a ship then the ship
cannot see the vessel was stupid, myopic, arrogant,
ignorant, dangerous and unfortunate for you.

It was a disgraceful thing for a licensed Master who claims
to be in charge of large ships to maintain. It shows the
arrogant attitude big ships have towards smaller vessels.
It is the attitude that results in collisions and loss of life.
It is the attitude the COLREGS were written to squash.

Shame on you for requiring a mere 25GT Near Coastal
Master to point out how much of an inept captain you really
are.

S.Simon - keeps a proper watch in all direction

Rule 7 (c) states:

c) Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of
scanty information, especially scanty radar information.

What's this got to do with keeping a proper lookout by
eyes and ears?

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

You still disgraced yourself with your arrogant statement
saying if a vessel cannot see the bridge then it cannot
be seen. This statement is dangerously ignorant and
shows a total disregard for keeping a proper lookout.

S.Simon - exposing yet another pretend captain


"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...
1. Read rule 7 (c)
2. Your post below shows just how stupid and inexperienced you are.
3. Keep trying Neal, but know that we all consider you an incompetent,
inexperienced danger to us all.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Slipperier than an eel you are. Slippery but not much
smarter than one, unfortunately. Your statement about
if a vessel can't see the bridge of a ship then the ship
cannot see the vessel was stupid, myopic, arrogant,
ignorant, dangerous and unfortunate for you.

It was a disgraceful thing for a licensed Master who claims
to be in charge of large ships to maintain. It shows the
arrogant attitude big ships have towards smaller vessels.
It is the attitude that results in collisions and loss of life.
It is the attitude the COLREGS were written to squash.

Shame on you for requiring a mere 25GT Near Coastal
Master to point out how much of an inept captain you really
are.

S.Simon - keeps a proper watch in all direction

comments interspersed:

Simple Simon wrote:

Rule 7 (c) states:

c) Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of
scanty information, especially scanty radar information.

What's this got to do with keeping a proper lookout by
eyes and ears?

What it has to do with it, is what you do with the information a lookout
gives you, and what YOU do about course changes in a fog, based on
scanty sound information.

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)

You still disgraced yourself with your arrogant statement
saying if a vessel cannot see the bridge then it cannot
be seen. This statement is dangerously ignorant and
shows a total disregard for keeping a proper lookout.

The above statement is typically stupid. I could easily have said "if
you cannot see the bow or bow lookout", but anyone with any intelligence
would have understood that .... this excludes you, of course. It also
shows you're typical lack of experience in not understanding the
"mechanics" of fog and how someone higher up would not necessarily be
able to see something lower down.... and vice versa.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...
You still disgraced yourself with your arrogant statement
saying if a vessel cannot see the bridge then it cannot
be seen. This statement is dangerously ignorant and
shows a total disregard for keeping a proper lookout.

The above statement is typically stupid. I could easily have said "if
you cannot see the bow or bow lookout", but anyone with any intelligence
would have understood that .... this excludes you, of course. It also
shows you're typical lack of experience in not understanding the
"mechanics" of fog and how someone higher up would not necessarily be
able to see something lower down.... and vice versa.


But you didn't say that! What you said indicated you think it's
the other vessel's responsibility to make itself visible to the
bridge or assume she's not being seen.

I say, in most cases, even making yourself visible to the bridge
of a big ship does no increase your chances of being seen mostly
because nobody in the briged pays much attention. Why bother?
A little sailboat won't even make a small dent in a ship as it's
being run down.

That's the attitude you comment convey so loudly and clearly!
That's what I object to hearing a so-called professional saying.

S.Simon