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Jonathan Ganz October 16th 03 07:14 PM

Perception
 
Lipitor is for cholesterol, fyi. It's not about habits, since the vast
majority of those with high cholresterol can't significantly lower it
with diet.

Prilosec is for acid reflux, which also isn't affected by diet.

Stick to what you know... assuming you can find it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?


BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon





Simple Simon October 16th 03 07:36 PM

Perception
 
Hey silly, high cholesterol is caused by eating too much
fat and being too fat. Eating the right food, as I suggested,
is proven to lower cholesterol. Getting plenty or exercise
also lowers cholesterol.

The same goes for acid reflux (a fancy name for heartburn).
Eating less food and eating the right food will eliminate acid
reflux.

But, noooooooooo! People like you and Otn would rather
pop expensive pills than eliminate their bad habits that are
causing the problem in the first place. Go figure!

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Lipitor is for cholesterol, fyi. It's not about habits, since the vast
majority of those with high cholresterol can't significantly lower it
with diet.

Prilosec is for acid reflux, which also isn't affected by diet.

Stick to what you know... assuming you can find it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon







otnmbrd October 16th 03 07:54 PM

Perception
 
ROFL .... Nother subject you know little about.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?


BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon




otnmbrd October 16th 03 07:58 PM

Perception
 
Comments interspersed:

Simple Simon wrote:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...

You still disgraced yourself with your arrogant statement
saying if a vessel cannot see the bridge then it cannot
be seen. This statement is dangerously ignorant and
shows a total disregard for keeping a proper lookout.


The above statement is typically stupid. I could easily have said "if
you cannot see the bow or bow lookout", but anyone with any intelligence
would have understood that .... this excludes you, of course. It also
shows you're typical lack of experience in not understanding the
"mechanics" of fog and how someone higher up would not necessarily be
able to see something lower down.... and vice versa.



But you didn't say that! What you said indicated you think it's
the other vessel's responsibility to make itself visible to the
bridge or assume she's not being seen.


The above is a prime example of why we question your reasoning ability.
How could you possibly come to that stupid conclusion? It's a question
of ones ability to see, not responsibility to be seen.

I say, in most cases, even making yourself visible to the bridge
of a big ship does no increase your chances of being seen mostly
because nobody in the briged pays much attention. Why bother?
A little sailboat won't even make a small dent in a ship as it's
being run down.


Stupid waste of typing time.

That's the attitude you comment convey so loudly and clearly!
That's what I object to hearing a so-called professional saying.


It could only have conveyed that attitude to someone of your limited
abilities!

otn


Jonathan Ganz October 16th 03 09:39 PM

Perception
 
No. It isn't necessarily, nor is it true in most cases. For example,
I know a guy who has extremely low cholesterol. In fact, it's so
low that it's dangerous. Most people who are given lipitor can not
control the high cholesterol with diet.

Acid reflux has nothing to do with diet. It has to do with genetics
and physiology.

You know nothing about these conditions, you're demonstrating this,
so why not shut up now before you become even more of a laughing
stock.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Hey silly, high cholesterol is caused by eating too much
fat and being too fat. Eating the right food, as I suggested,
is proven to lower cholesterol. Getting plenty or exercise
also lowers cholesterol.

The same goes for acid reflux (a fancy name for heartburn).
Eating less food and eating the right food will eliminate acid
reflux.

But, noooooooooo! People like you and Otn would rather
pop expensive pills than eliminate their bad habits that are
causing the problem in the first place. Go figure!

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
Lipitor is for cholesterol, fyi. It's not about habits, since the vast
majority of those with high cholresterol can't significantly lower it
with diet.

Prilosec is for acid reflux, which also isn't affected by diet.

Stick to what you know... assuming you can find it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture,

not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon









Jonathan Ganz October 16th 03 09:51 PM

Perception
 
Here are some references, so you won't look like a total idiot
next time:

Lipitor:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/atorvastatin_ids.htm

Atorvastatin is indicated as an adjunct to diet to reduce elevated total-C,
LDL-C, apo B, and TG levels in patients with primary hypercholesterolemia
(heterozygous familial and nonfamilial) and mixed dyslipidemia (Fredrickson
Types IIa and IIb).

Atorvastatin is indcated as adjunctive therapy to diet for the treatment of
patients with elevated serum triglyceride levels (Fredrickson Type IV).

Atorvastatin is indicated for the treatment of patients with primary
dysbetalipoproteinemia (Fredrickson Type III) who do not respond adequately
to diet.

Atorvastatin is also indicated to reduce total-C and LDL-C in patients with
homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia as an adjunct to other
lipid-lowering treatments (e.g., LDL apheresis) or if such treatments are
unavailable.

Therapy with lipid-altering agents should be a component of
multiple-risk-factor intervention in individuals at increased risk for
atherosclerotic vascular disease due to hypercholesterolemia. Lipid-altering
agents should be used in addition to a diet restricted in saturated fat and
cholesterol only when the response to diet and other nonpharmacological
measures has been inadequate (see National Cholesterol Education Program
(NCEP) Guidelines, summarized in TABLE 5).

Acid Reflux:

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic857.htm

Note that certain foods and obesity *can* decrease the lower esophageal
sphincter (LES) pressure, but there is no guarantee.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?


BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon





Simple Simon October 16th 03 10:04 PM

Perception
 
Ganz, YOU are uninformed and just another victim of
modern medicine and the drug industry walking hand
in hand down the primrose path.

Read everything on this link and do some original
thinking of you own for once. Stop being duped!

http://www.molocure.com/gerd.shtml?s...rd=acid_reflux

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
No. It isn't necessarily, nor is it true in most cases. For example,
I know a guy who has extremely low cholesterol. In fact, it's so
low that it's dangerous. Most people who are given lipitor can not
control the high cholesterol with diet.

Acid reflux has nothing to do with diet. It has to do with genetics
and physiology.

You know nothing about these conditions, you're demonstrating this,
so why not shut up now before you become even more of a laughing
stock.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Hey silly, high cholesterol is caused by eating too much
fat and being too fat. Eating the right food, as I suggested,
is proven to lower cholesterol. Getting plenty or exercise
also lowers cholesterol.

The same goes for acid reflux (a fancy name for heartburn).
Eating less food and eating the right food will eliminate acid
reflux.

But, noooooooooo! People like you and Otn would rather
pop expensive pills than eliminate their bad habits that are
causing the problem in the first place. Go figure!

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
Lipitor is for cholesterol, fyi. It's not about habits, since the vast
majority of those with high cholresterol can't significantly lower it
with diet.

Prilosec is for acid reflux, which also isn't affected by diet.

Stick to what you know... assuming you can find it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture,

not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon











Simple Simon October 16th 03 10:14 PM

Perception
 
You should not believe anything the drug industry has to
say in defense of its drugs. Of course they're gonna paint
a rosey picture. They are in business to sell drugs and
selling drugs to lifetime patients is big business.

Stop for a minute and divorce yourself from advertising
hype from the drug industry. Ask yourself why acid
reflux (heartburn) is such a big problem today while
it was not such a big deal fifty years ago? The answer
is because people aren't eating right anymore. They
eat all sorts of awful crap and then they take a pill
to mask the symptoms this awful diet causes.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Here are some references, so you won't look like a total idiot
next time:

Lipitor:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/atorvastatin_ids.htm

Atorvastatin is indicated as an adjunct to diet to reduce elevated total-C,
LDL-C, apo B, and TG levels in patients with primary hypercholesterolemia
(heterozygous familial and nonfamilial) and mixed dyslipidemia (Fredrickson
Types IIa and IIb).

Atorvastatin is indcated as adjunctive therapy to diet for the treatment of
patients with elevated serum triglyceride levels (Fredrickson Type IV).

Atorvastatin is indicated for the treatment of patients with primary
dysbetalipoproteinemia (Fredrickson Type III) who do not respond adequately
to diet.

Atorvastatin is also indicated to reduce total-C and LDL-C in patients with
homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia as an adjunct to other
lipid-lowering treatments (e.g., LDL apheresis) or if such treatments are
unavailable.

Therapy with lipid-altering agents should be a component of
multiple-risk-factor intervention in individuals at increased risk for
atherosclerotic vascular disease due to hypercholesterolemia. Lipid-altering
agents should be used in addition to a diet restricted in saturated fat and
cholesterol only when the response to diet and other nonpharmacological
measures has been inadequate (see National Cholesterol Education Program
(NCEP) Guidelines, summarized in TABLE 5).

Acid Reflux:

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic857.htm

Note that certain foods and obesity *can* decrease the lower esophageal
sphincter (LES) pressure, but there is no guarantee.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture, not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon







Jonathan Ganz October 17th 03 12:04 AM

Perception
 
Sure. Whatever... I certainly believe a private company over
research institues and MDs.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Ganz, YOU are uninformed and just another victim of
modern medicine and the drug industry walking hand
in hand down the primrose path.

Read everything on this link and do some original
thinking of you own for once. Stop being duped!

http://www.molocure.com/gerd.shtml?s...rd=acid_reflux

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
No. It isn't necessarily, nor is it true in most cases. For example,
I know a guy who has extremely low cholesterol. In fact, it's so
low that it's dangerous. Most people who are given lipitor can not
control the high cholesterol with diet.

Acid reflux has nothing to do with diet. It has to do with genetics
and physiology.

You know nothing about these conditions, you're demonstrating this,
so why not shut up now before you become even more of a laughing
stock.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Hey silly, high cholesterol is caused by eating too much
fat and being too fat. Eating the right food, as I suggested,
is proven to lower cholesterol. Getting plenty or exercise
also lowers cholesterol.

The same goes for acid reflux (a fancy name for heartburn).
Eating less food and eating the right food will eliminate acid
reflux.

But, noooooooooo! People like you and Otn would rather
pop expensive pills than eliminate their bad habits that are
causing the problem in the first place. Go figure!

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
Lipitor is for cholesterol, fyi. It's not about habits, since the

vast
majority of those with high cholresterol can't significantly lower

it
with diet.

Prilosec is for acid reflux, which also isn't affected by diet.

Stick to what you know... assuming you can find it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid

lecture,
not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon













Jonathan Ganz October 17th 03 12:05 AM

Perception
 
Gee, now that's some interesting news. Are you actually
aware of the situation 50 years ago or is this wishful thinking.
I'm betting the latter. There were no "good old days" for
ailments.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should not believe anything the drug industry has to
say in defense of its drugs. Of course they're gonna paint
a rosey picture. They are in business to sell drugs and
selling drugs to lifetime patients is big business.

Stop for a minute and divorce yourself from advertising
hype from the drug industry. Ask yourself why acid
reflux (heartburn) is such a big problem today while
it was not such a big deal fifty years ago? The answer
is because people aren't eating right anymore. They
eat all sorts of awful crap and then they take a pill
to mask the symptoms this awful diet causes.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
Here are some references, so you won't look like a total idiot
next time:

Lipitor:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/atorvastatin_ids.htm

Atorvastatin is indicated as an adjunct to diet to reduce elevated

total-C,
LDL-C, apo B, and TG levels in patients with primary

hypercholesterolemia
(heterozygous familial and nonfamilial) and mixed dyslipidemia

(Fredrickson
Types IIa and IIb).

Atorvastatin is indcated as adjunctive therapy to diet for the treatment

of
patients with elevated serum triglyceride levels (Fredrickson Type IV).

Atorvastatin is indicated for the treatment of patients with primary
dysbetalipoproteinemia (Fredrickson Type III) who do not respond

adequately
to diet.

Atorvastatin is also indicated to reduce total-C and LDL-C in patients

with
homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia as an adjunct to other
lipid-lowering treatments (e.g., LDL apheresis) or if such treatments

are
unavailable.

Therapy with lipid-altering agents should be a component of
multiple-risk-factor intervention in individuals at increased risk for
atherosclerotic vascular disease due to hypercholesterolemia.

Lipid-altering
agents should be used in addition to a diet restricted in saturated fat

and
cholesterol only when the response to diet and other nonpharmacological
measures has been inadequate (see National Cholesterol Education Program
(NCEP) Guidelines, summarized in TABLE 5).

Acid Reflux:

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic857.htm

Note that certain foods and obesity *can* decrease the lower esophageal
sphincter (LES) pressure, but there is no guarantee.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message

nk.net...

What kind of drugs are you on, anyhow?

BG Lipitor and prilosec .... you? (EG save the stupid lecture,

not
interested)


Aren't those for heartburn? If so get rid of 'em and start eating
right and you won't have heartburn.

Typical American attitude - don't bother changing bad habits,
simply counteract them with drugs.

S.Simon










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