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katysails
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Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Having restarted the company, Columbia appears to have shut down the old
Columbia website. The new website has yet to list info on the original boats.
If Columbia is back, can Coronado and Express be far behind?

Bwahahahaha!

RB

none wrote:

Comments ?

On a Columbia 34?

katysails wrote:

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Yep. Also slow and rather unhandy. They were considered very roomy in
their day, but modern designs are both faster & roomier.

The only reason I can think of to get one is that it is available locally,
really cheap. But remember that it will be increasingly difficult to get
any money back on resale, as these boats are not aging well.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

I am rather young, and this is few year (hopefuly) down the line (i like
the idea of traveling and living aboard at the same time); I just thought
to get some comments would be interesting.

I posted this question after reading this article.
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/lowcost.htm

I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

Anything but a C&C 27!

RB

I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

You can go anywhere in a Alberg 30...or a rowboat. You'll need to provide more
details for help here. A few people here have actually gone to sea and may be
able to help, assuming this isn't a troll.
Ignore comments from Binary Bill, Skitch, Donal and Capt. neal. There is no
evidence that they sail at all.

RB

A starter boat for ocean crossing ?

Maybe you should start with a smaller boat of a easily sellable kind, (so
you can sell it after a couple of years with limited loss) - and then after
gaining some experience, look for a passage maker, if you want to cross some
oceans.

You could also hitch a ride with somebody else, to get an idea of what it
takes.

If your question is more is more based on curiosity, I can recommend books
like:
"Seaworthiness - the forgotten factor" by C.A.Marchaj,
"Alard Coles' Heavy Weather Sailing" by Peter Bruce,
"Offshore Yachts" by the Technical Committee of the Cruising Club of
America.

If you are just after examples of good passage makers, here are a few:
Vertue 25 by Laurent Giles
Great Dane 28 by Aage Utzon
Monsun (Halberg Rassy) 31 by Olle Enderlein
Victoria 34 (Morris 34) By Chuck Paine
Halberg Rassy 36 by Germán Frers
Pacific Seacraft 37 by Bill Crealock
Cabo Rico 38 by Bill Crealock
Petterson 44 by Dough Petterson


Here is a inspirational list of things necessary for a passage-maker:
Directional stability
High range of positive stability
Fairly high keel-percent
Strong mast that cannot move or bend when fixed.
Strong and watertight structure (hull-deck-deckhouse)
Companionway that can be sealed to above deck-level.
Strong standing rigging
Easily refe-able to storm-force.

Peter S/Y Anicula

none skrev i en meddelelse news
I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

I am rather young, and this is few year (hopefuly) down the line (i like
the idea of traveling and living aboard at the same time); I just thought
to get some comments would be interesting.

I posted this question after reading this article.
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/lowcost.htm

also avoid anything bob has for sale, his comission seems a bit high IMHO
none wrote in message news
I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

I am rather young, and this is few year (hopefuly) down the line (i like
the idea of traveling and living aboard at the same time); I just thought
to get some comments would be interesting.

I posted this question after reading this article.
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/lowcost.htm

none wrote:

I just would like to get some input as to a good starter boat, it dosen't
have to be specific names or anything but something that could be
considered for ocean crossing.

"Starter boat" and "ocean crossing" don't belong in the same sentence
together.

First, learn to sail. This can be pretty easy and enjoyable, but it won't
happen in a couple weeks. The best way is to go to a sailing club and start
crewing for people. With some experience & knowledge under your belt, you can
get a place as crew for voyages.

Don't ignore books. Go to the library this evening and check out some sailing
books. Flip to the page with a diagram of a boat and memorize the names of
all parts, this will get you a few steps up the learning curve. There are
classes you can take which will speed up the process, but without on-water
experience then class room lessons are worthless.



I am rather young,

Like, how young?

and this is few year (hopefuly) down the line (i like
the idea of traveling and living aboard at the same time); I just thought
to get some comments would be interesting.

Yep. Me too.



I posted this question after reading this article.
http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/lowcost.htm

I've corresponded some with John Holtrop and have a lot of respect for his
work. He is a talented designer and does his engineering homework. But I have
a somewhat of a problem with his numbers-crunching approaching to
seaworthiness. It appears to me that he picked a list of boats that some
folks consider ultra-seaworthy, then figured up some of their ratios, and
then went hunting for a list of boats with similar ratios. Not a valid
engineering solution IMHO, despite all the fancy figuring, it all originates
from old wives tales about what makes a "seaworthy" boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King