Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water.
The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember
there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way
through he water.

Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to
stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most
rudders break.

And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html

The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a
windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily...

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder
would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching.

A storm severe enough to break off the rudder would be a survival
storm. Repairs would have to be made AFTER the storm passed.
A rudder is only necessary when going to weather. Heaving-to
or lying-to under storm trysail requires no rudder.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Out board in idle to steer a boat in F8? Are you joking -I hope so.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

She'll heave-to with no rudder and forereach? Amazing.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder
would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching.

A storm severe enough to break off the rudder would be a survival
storm. Repairs would have to be made AFTER the storm passed.
A rudder is only necessary when going to weather. Heaving-to
or lying-to under storm trysail requires no rudder.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Out board in idle to steer a boat in F8? Are you joking -I hope so.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor
seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest
vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Don't ask. The imagination of it frightens me.

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.


You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I've got two telescoping jib poles as well. They are long enough
when not expanded and very strong with triple layers of tubing.

If the windsurfer masts carried away the jib poles could be
pressed into service.

What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound.
It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless
steel shaft. It ain't likely to break.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water.
The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember
there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way
through he water.

Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to
stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most
rudders break.

And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html

The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a
windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily...

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Go away with your inane comments, please.

S.Simon

"katysails" wrote in message ...
the new boat buyers
seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail,
wing keel and 3 bladed prop

Definition of a Catalina sailor....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

That was exactly my point ans why the skippers knowledge is a factor in
deciding vessel sea worthiness. Some can take a 'weak' vessel and nurse
her while others let the **** get beaten out of the boat and loose big
strong vessels.

On one delivery job, when a halyard parted the skipper/owner practiaclly
wanted to get the life raft out !

I've also heard of super yachts being abandoned when they lost their
rigs 'cos the people on board didn't know what to do. That skipper is
still being sought by the authorities I believe and may have scuttled
off to the med or islands.

Cheers MC



Simple Simon wrote:

Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor
seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest
vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Don't ask. The imagination of it frightens me.

Cheers MC

Donals Dilemma wrote:


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.


You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Rudder failure is depressingly common.
Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

I've got two telescoping jib poles as well. They are long enough
when not expanded and very strong with triple layers of tubing.

If the windsurfer masts carried away the jib poles could be
pressed into service.

What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound.
It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless
steel shaft. It ain't likely to break.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water.
The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember
there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way
through he water.

Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to
stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most
rudders break.

And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html


The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a
windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily...


S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I wonder when you last saw the tangs? SS corrodes very quickly in an
anaerobic environment.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound.
It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless
steel shaft. It ain't likely to break.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water.
The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember
there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way
through he water.

Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to
stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most
rudders break.

And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html


The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a
windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily...


S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:50:55 -0500, "katysails"
wrote:

the new boat buyers
seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail,
wing keel and 3 bladed prop

Definition of a Catalina sailor....

That is who I was referring to My previous slip neighbor had all
that and dinghy davits with an inflatable complete with 15hp outboard
hanging off the back of his new Catalina 36. Mighty salty for our
lake