Can't see tangs unless I had the thing x-rayed. Putting my
faith in quality Coronado construction. I have never read
a single, solitary report of rudder failure on any Coronado
27. I wonder how it would be possible. My rudder is free
to swing 360 degrees. Unless the tiller was tied rigidly
in place there is little strain on the rudder/rudder stock.
I use bungee cords a lot for self steering and they have
lots of give and would break well before the rudder would.

Ya gotta be smart if ya wanna be a successful sailor like me.

S.Simon




"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
I wonder when you last saw the tangs? SS corrodes very quickly in an
anaerobic environment.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound.
It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless
steel shaft. It ain't likely to break.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water.
The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember
there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way
through he water.

Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



No problem!

As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with
the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That
should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse
conditions.

I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to
stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most
rudders break.

And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html


The motor can be taken off the transom without too
much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of
the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer
conditions for safety and to keep from losing the
motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two
windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily
make into a steering oar lashed to the transom

So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a
windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily...


S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...


On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions
without falling over the side?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

You don't know my boat. I do. So shut the hole
under your pimply nose.

S.Simon


Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:54:51 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder
would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching.

She'd weathercock in a blink!!!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor
seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest
vessel.

S.Simon

And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster.


True but it should be every man's right to do as he
damn well pleases without some big brother interference.

As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't
call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor
calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller.

To hell with government interference in such mundane
and personal choices such as sailing.

S.Simon

Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:00:57 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:
You've no idea how many times I've heard that from owners of yachts
that later come in for rudders. 4" shafts snap like twigs when a yacht
is driven backward by a breaking wave.


That's due to poor design. Any 'barn door' rudder can not
be expected to take the strain on the hinges when it fetches
us hard against the stops.

But, my rudder is free to turn through 360 degrees. How's it gonna
break off when pushed backwards? It will just pivot around on its
axis so the leading edge is leading. Superior design in every way!

S.Simon

I see your point. Trouble is that they set off EPIRBS and/or relatives
demand they be rescued...

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor
seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest
vessel.

S.Simon

And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster.



True but it should be every man's right to do as he
damn well pleases without some big brother interference.

As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't
call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor
calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller.

To hell with government interference in such mundane
and personal choices such as sailing.

S.Simon

Where does the tiller go during this propellor action? Does it whip you
into submission?

Cheers MC

Simple Simian wrote:

Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:00:57 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:
You've no idea how many times I've heard that from owners of yachts
that later come in for rudders. 4" shafts snap like twigs when a yacht
is driven backward by a breaking wave.



That's due to poor design. Any 'barn door' rudder can not
be expected to take the strain on the hinges when it fetches
us hard against the stops.

But, my rudder is free to turn through 360 degrees. How's it gonna
break off when pushed backwards? It will just pivot around on its
axis so the leading edge is leading. Superior design in every way!

S.Simon

Donals Dilemma wrote in message
news
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:12:21 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Donals Dilemma wrote in message
.. .

You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib?
Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-)

A 34kt spinnaker....and then...


.... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!!


You really do sail a fragile piece of junk then?

It really did feel like that the last time! We came into port with only
*one* halyard! (bear in mind that we knew that we needed a halyard to get
someone up the mast!)

Mind you, it was one *hell* of a trip! I suspect that even you would have
admitted that you would have enjoyed it.

Nobody wore pantyhose!


Regards


Donal
--

Did they have spare underwear?

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

Donals Dilemma wrote in message
news
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:12:21 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Donals Dilemma wrote in message
...

You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib?
Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-)

A 34kt spinnaker....and then...


.... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!!


You really do sail a fragile piece of junk then?


It really did feel like that the last time! We came into port with only
*one* halyard! (bear in mind that we knew that we needed a halyard to get
someone up the mast!)

Mind you, it was one *hell* of a trip! I suspect that even you would have
admitted that you would have enjoyed it.

Nobody wore pantyhose!


Regards


Donal
--

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Don't forget the jack lines, harnesses, life belts...


Phhhhttt!

We don't have "inspectors" here ..... yet!




Regards


Donal
--

Make it known beforehand that any and all rescues be
paid for by those who are rescued and their families.

If a rescuer dies in the rescue process then payments
to his widow should also be part of the process. This
would put a stop to all this hollering for rescues when
wimp sailors get so much as a tummy ache.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
I see your point. Trouble is that they set off EPIRBS and/or relatives
demand they be rescued...

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Donals Dilemma wrote in message ...

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor
seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest
vessel.

S.Simon

And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster.



True but it should be every man's right to do as he
damn well pleases without some big brother interference.

As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't
call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor
calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller.

To hell with government interference in such mundane
and personal choices such as sailing.

S.Simon