It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:

. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was
a "yes or no" question....

What's the use of it there?

Cheers MC

felton wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC


I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was
a "yes or no" question....

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:41:57 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:

What's the use of it there?

Cheers MC

Well, as I sail on a lake I probably don't need one at all, but it is
a handy thing to have if the weather looks iffy. It is surprising how
well a boat can move with a flat little blade and a double reefed
main. Although I keep a 110 on the furler, I would be the first to
admit that you can't get any sort of acceptable sailshape by reefing a
furling headsail. At least I have never have.





felton wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC


I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was
a "yes or no" question....

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Cheers MC

I think every dyslexic ocean sailor should pack a strom jib.

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My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:

The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

I suspect that my boat is "seaworthy" in the same sense that Ella is.


No, I don't have a strom jib.

I have a spinnaker that can be flown in up to 34kts! Does that count?

Regards


Donal
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felton wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:41:57 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


What's the use of it there?

Cheers MC


Well, as I sail on a lake I probably don't need one at all, but it is
a handy thing to have if the weather looks iffy. It is surprising how
well a boat can move with a flat little blade and a double reefed
main. Although I keep a 110 on the furler, I would be the first to
admit that you can't get any sort of acceptable sailshape by reefing a
furling headsail. At least I have never have.


Quite so. When using the roller furler, with a padded luff I can get an
OK shape if I furl my #2 by no more than 10%. This extends the useful
wind range by about 5 knots but no more IMHO. If I was planning more
extensive off shore cruising I would love twin headstays, but I mostly
use the foil with #1, #2 jenoas and a #3 blade.

Cheers MC

Ah, you've not watched "my pumpkin the weather girl" have you??? But
seriously, I told you my computer was infected with Katytipe.
;-)
Cheers MC

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Cheers MC


I think every dyslexic ocean sailor should pack a strom jib.

two wheels


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I'm sure you vessel would be recognised for it's state of preparedness!
I bet you have everything properly stowed and tied down too in case of
knockdown. I'd like to hear about your provisions for emergency steerage
and rudder loss. Also, do you have SSB and a radio operators licence?

Cheers MC


Simple Simon wrote:

My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC