Kneel,

belittle the
superior accomplishments of others.

Hardly, and if you think that holding a Master's ticket is some how a "superior
accomplishment" you must lead a very small life!

I hold a 100 Ton Master’s Near Coastal with both a Sail & Assistance Towing
Endorsement. I am also a "Yachtie," who now makes a few extra $'s driving
boats. It's a nice thing to have, but not in any way a "superior
accomplishment."
After I retired I worked full time for Sea Tow, but prefer to work only part
time. I do a few deliveries, mostly along the east coast and down to the
islands. I also work on a seasonal basis operating as relief on 65’ schooner.
I do this, not for the money, but because I really enjoy it, at least most of
the time.

I did not cheat on my sea time, but I know a lot of guys did. I also saw guys
going around asking others to sign their sea time forms. Not only do I own and
actually sail my own boat, but I also worked the needed number of days as a
mate on a large schooner, and crewed on deliveries of a large motor vessel.
Even still, I’m only a "Yachtie."

Like almost everyone else, I got my license 3 renewals ago by attending one of
those crash courses where they guarantee everyone passes. I passed my first
time out, and with flying colors. We memorized everything. If you did what
the school said, you couldn’t miss, and scoring 98%, even 100%, was no big
thing. Trick questions were not a problem because all the possible questions
and their right answers were already known. The only people that didn’t pass
were those that ether didn’t go to one of these schools, didn’t study, just
couldn’t memorize, or had a brain fart when taking the exam. It wasn’t
unusual to be in and out in just a few hours.

Depending on whether the questions are about navigation, weather, regulations,
etc., the answers to the "open book" parts of the exam are in several books not
just the CFR’s. All of these books are supplied to you by the USCG. If you
have memorized the questions and the answers, you do not need to use any of
them. By the way almost all of the Q&A’s are now available on disc, so you
can just sit at your computer and learn them by rote memory.

As far as the lowest form of license, I forgot to mention the Launch
operator’s permit. I think they still have this. The 6 Pack vs. the
Master’s says what kind of boats you can drive, the tonnage says how big, and
the Inland or Near Coastal says where you can go. When you apply, you need
more sea time to apply for a Master's than a 6 Pack., and answer a few more
questions. You need to have spent a greater portion of that time in
international waters to get a Near Coastal vs. an Inland. You need to have
spent a certain number of days underway on a sailboat as well as pass a short
extra multiple choice exam to get the Aux. Sail endorsement.

None of this is very difficult to accomplish. It does not mean you are a
competent sailor, and certainly you can not lay claim to being a "Master
Mariner." Only that you can live in a mangrove swamp on a floating banana, and
spend hours memorizing Q &A's. I would not call that a ""superior
accomplishment."

That's a very long-winded response and possibly
an attempt to make me forget the question I
asked and you avoided answering by obfuscation.

I shall ask it again.

Can you equal or beat my test scores?

S.Simon - WFMM*



*World Famous Master Mariner
"Crvvvw" wrote in message ...
Kneel,

belittle the
superior accomplishments of others.

Hardly, and if you think that holding a Master's ticket is some how a "superior
accomplishment" you must lead a very small life!

I hold a 100 Ton Master's Near Coastal with both a Sail & Assistance Towing
Endorsement. I am also a "Yachtie," who now makes a few extra $'s driving
boats. It's a nice thing to have, but not in any way a "superior
accomplishment."
After I retired I worked full time for Sea Tow, but prefer to work only part
time. I do a few deliveries, mostly along the east coast and down to the
islands. I also work on a seasonal basis operating as relief on 65' schooner.
I do this, not for the money, but because I really enjoy it, at least most of
the time.

I did not cheat on my sea time, but I know a lot of guys did. I also saw guys
going around asking others to sign their sea time forms. Not only do I own and
actually sail my own boat, but I also worked the needed number of days as a
mate on a large schooner, and crewed on deliveries of a large motor vessel.
Even still, I'm only a "Yachtie."

Like almost everyone else, I got my license 3 renewals ago by attending one of
those crash courses where they guarantee everyone passes. I passed my first
time out, and with flying colors. We memorized everything. If you did what
the school said, you couldn't miss, and scoring 98%, even 100%, was no big
thing. Trick questions were not a problem because all the possible questions
and their right answers were already known. The only people that didn't pass
were those that ether didn't go to one of these schools, didn't study, just
couldn't memorize, or had a brain fart when taking the exam. It wasn't
unusual to be in and out in just a few hours.

Depending on whether the questions are about navigation, weather, regulations,
etc., the answers to the "open book" parts of the exam are in several books not
just the CFR's. All of these books are supplied to you by the USCG. If you
have memorized the questions and the answers, you do not need to use any of
them. By the way almost all of the Q&A's are now available on disc, so you
can just sit at your computer and learn them by rote memory.

As far as the lowest form of license, I forgot to mention the Launch
operator's permit. I think they still have this. The 6 Pack vs. the
Master's says what kind of boats you can drive, the tonnage says how big, and
the Inland or Near Coastal says where you can go. When you apply, you need
more sea time to apply for a Master's than a 6 Pack., and answer a few more
questions. You need to have spent a greater portion of that time in
international waters to get a Near Coastal vs. an Inland. You need to have
spent a certain number of days underway on a sailboat as well as pass a short
extra multiple choice exam to get the Aux. Sail endorsement.

None of this is very difficult to accomplish. It does not mean you are a
competent sailor, and certainly you can not lay claim to being a "Master
Mariner." Only that you can live in a mangrove swamp on a floating banana, and
spend hours memorizing Q &A's. I would not call that a ""superior
accomplishment."

Simple Simon wrote:
That's a very long-winded response and possibly
an attempt to make me forget the question I
asked and you avoided answering by obfuscation.

I shall ask it again.

Can you equal or beat my test scores?

S.Simon

He answered your question. You just don't have the needed reading
comprehension skills and basic intelligence, to have understood the answer.
In a nutshell, your test scores tell more about how well you take a
"multi-guess" test, and memory skills, than how well you know the subject.
The numbers aren't important, as long as you pass the test.
What becomes important after that, is how well you apply this basic
knowledge and learn from it, plus make use of the advantages it may give
you.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net...


Simple Simon wrote:
That's a very long-winded response and possibly
an attempt to make me forget the question I
asked and you avoided answering by obfuscation.

I shall ask it again.

Can you equal or beat my test scores?

S.Simon

He answered your question. You just don't have the needed reading
comprehension skills and basic intelligence, to have understood the answer.
In a nutshell, your test scores tell more about how well you take a
"multi-guess" test, and memory skills, than how well you know the subject.
The numbers aren't important, as long as you pass the test.
What becomes important after that, is how well you apply this basic
knowledge and learn from it, plus make use of the advantages it may give
you.


Happy Holidays to you Cap'n. Otn.

Coming from someone who probably just scraped by
your little rant doesn't have much meaning. People who
barely scrape by generally have the attitude you
demonstrated above.

"Oh, it doesn't matter that I couldn't answer
the questions right, they were stupid anyway,"
is the purview of the lame and the ignorant.
It is a cop-out response coming from the near-
failures whom everyone but themselves realizes
are borderline qualified.

I've come to the conclusion that the real reason
I can get no honest answers what the other so-called
captain's test scores are is because they are ashamed to
admit I beat them by a mile. (Being beaten in anything
by someone whom you claim is far inferior must be
a bitter pill to swallow, indeed, and much, much worse
when he beats you in an area you call your profession.)

Capt. Neal --- USCG licensed (# 1045941) U.S.
Merchant Marine Officer - Master of Steam or
Motor Vessels Near Coastal, 25GRT, also Operator
Uninspected Passenger Vessels, Near Coastal

(Crvvvw) wrote in message ...


I am also a "Yachtie,"

Does that mean you get to wear a all white suit with gold bars on the
sholders? And one of those hats that says "Captain?

Did you ever sail with Thurstan Howell the III? I hear he's a
yachtie.

Is a yachtie anything like a chewbaca?

Just amazing.

How does one become a yachtie?

Joe

Simple Simon wrote:


Happy Holidays to you Cap'n. Otn.

Coming from someone who probably just scraped by
your little rant doesn't have much meaning. People who
barely scrape by generally have the attitude you
demonstrated above.

BG I realize you are unable to comprehend this, but you don't get
where I am in the Maritime Industry, by just "scraping by".


"Oh, it doesn't matter that I couldn't answer
the questions right, they were stupid anyway,"
is the purview of the lame and the ignorant.
It is a cop-out response coming from the near-
failures whom everyone but themselves realizes
are borderline qualified.

And, how, pray tell, did you come to the conclusion, that that may have
applied to me?

I've come to the conclusion that the real reason
I can get no honest answers what the other so-called
captain's test scores are is because they are ashamed to
admit I beat them by a mile. (Being beaten in anything
by someone whom you claim is far inferior must be
a bitter pill to swallow, indeed, and much, much worse
when he beats you in an area you call your profession.)

The proof is in the "pudding". You've proved that although you may have
passed the test well, you are basically an amateur and/or incompetent,
in reality.

Capt. Neal --- USCG licensed (# 1045941) U.S.
Merchant Marine Officer - Master of Steam or
Motor Vessels Near Coastal, 25GRT, also Operator
Uninspected Passenger Vessels, Near Coastal


Once again, Merry Christmas and may the New Year bring you some
experience in, and knowledge of, the field in which you profess so much,
yet lack, so much understanding and knowledge of.

otn

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Crvvvw) wrote in message
...


I am also a "Yachtie,"

Does that mean you get to wear a all white suit with gold bars on the
sholders? And one of those hats that says "Captain?

Did you ever sail with Thurstan Howell the III? I hear he's a
yachtie.

Is a yachtie anything like a chewbaca?

Just amazing.

How does one become a yachtie?

Well Joe, in most parts of the world a "Yacht" is a sailing vessel, but not
a sailing dinghy. So a Yacht is any vessel with sails that is longer than
about 18 feet.

To become a yachtie, one has to sail on a sailing vessel that is more than
18 feet long.


The term "yacht" can also be used to describe some ostentatious motor
vessels - but their crew would never be described as yachties.


Regards


Donal
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