No, Dickhead, I meant what I said.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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OH, I forgot to mention that I made a profit on that boat.

You mean you made enough back to cover the years of associated costs?

Wow!

RB

No, Dickhead, I meant what I said.



Scrotum breath, you SAID you made money. You didn't.
You're a liar and a fag. Now go dig up your mother and get some lovin.
Dickless!

Bwahahahaha

RB

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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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MSV= motor Sailing Vessel (an abomination)

Thats funny coming from someone that owned a McGregor speedboat/sailboat
The joke of the 7 seas.

Joe ... you know as much about Scotty's previous boat as you do about
Bush's reasons for going to war.


You should steer clear of subjects where knowledge might be useful.

At least I know how to use radars and radios. Unlike U.

You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?
Yachtmaster wannabe........what a joke.

And at least Im smart enough not to buy a bent a toe.

Joe
MSV RedCloud







Regards


Donal
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"Lanod"


You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?

I thought that I wouldn't need to explain the basics of navigation here.

Yachtmasters only have to show that they can navigate without external
inputs to prove that they understand the basic principles of navigation.


Tell us O yachtmaster, How do you navigate without external input?


You cant.... can you?

Joe
MSV RedCloud




Would you find this test a bit difficult?

Regards

Donal
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
So what's my score?

You get an S.

O= Outstanding
S= Satifactory
L= Limited

Joe




"Joe" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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MSV= motor Sailing Vessel (an abomination)

Thats funny coming from someone that owned a McGregor speedboat/sailboat
The joke of the 7 seas.

Joe
MSV Redcloud

Joe wrote:

"Lanod"



You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?

I thought that I wouldn't need to explain the basics of navigation here.

Yachtmasters only have to show that they can navigate without external
inputs to prove that they understand the basic principles of navigation.



Tell us O yachtmaster, How do you navigate without external input?


You cant.... can you?

Isn't that similar to what what Jax used to say Albert Eistein said?

:-)))

Cheers
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Lanod"


You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?

I thought that I wouldn't need to explain the basics of navigation here.

Yachtmasters only have to show that they can navigate without external
inputs to prove that they understand the basic principles of navigation.


Tell us O yachtmaster, How do you navigate without external input?

Joe, you make me see red!

Yes, you guessed correctly! I'm only talking about your neck!


Please read my previous post again ... and this time try to understand it.

The "blind" test is done to establish the student's ability to predict a
boat's track from data such as tide tables, wind speed and direction, and
knowledge of a boat's performance.

For example, when I cross the channel, I will usually be out of sight of
land for many hours. If I am using trad nav, then I will only have the
wake as an external indicator. I will have to use predictive skills to
determine my position. On a 70 mile trip, I will be accurate to within one
mile.

I accept that this accuracy might be different on a trans-Atlantic crossing,
as I have no experience of such things.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
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"Lanod"


You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?

I thought that I wouldn't need to explain the basics of navigation here.

Yachtmasters only have to show that they can navigate without external
inputs to prove that they understand the basic principles of navigation.


Tell us O yachtmaster, How do you navigate without external input?

Joe, you make me see red!

Yes, you guessed correctly! I'm only talking about your neck!


Please read my previous post again ... and this time try to understand it.

The "blind" test is done to establish the student's ability to predict a
boat's track from data such as tide tables, wind speed and direction, and
knowledge of a boat's performance.

For example, when I cross the channel, I will usually be out of sight of
land for many hours. If I am using trad nav, then I will only have the
wake as an external indicator.

HEY DONAL A WAKE IS EXTERNAL INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!!


I will have to use predictive skills to
determine my position.

BUY SEEING THE SET OF YOUR WAKE? THATS EXTERNAL!!!!



On a 70 mile trip, I will be accurate to within one
mile.


BECAUSE OF EXTERNAL IMPUT YOU GOT BY SEEING YOUR WAKE AND MAKING
CORRECTIONS USING YOUR COMPASS COURSE, WHICH IS EXTERNAL IMPUT, unless
your on a bent a toe and the wake is in the bildge.

I accept that this accuracy might be different on a trans-Atlantic crossing,
as I have no experience of such things.


Thats mighty humble coming from a yachtmaster wanna be.

Now tell us how your going to be in the blind with no external imput
and navigate O yachtmaster.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Lanod"


You never did tell anyone how you yachtmasters navigate without
any
aids or inputs. Remember the wave slapping on the hull **** you
spewed?

I thought that I wouldn't need to explain the basics of navigation
here.

Yachtmasters only have to show that they can navigate without
external
inputs to prove that they understand the basic principles of
navigation.


Tell us O yachtmaster, How do you navigate without external input?

Joe, you make me see red!

Yes, you guessed correctly! I'm only talking about your neck!


Please read my previous post again ... and this time try to understand
it.

The "blind" test is done to establish the student's ability to predict a
boat's track from data such as tide tables, wind speed and direction,
and
knowledge of a boat's performance.

For example, when I cross the channel, I will usually be out of sight
of
land for many hours. If I am using trad nav, then I will only have the
wake as an external indicator.

HEY DONAL A WAKE IS EXTERNAL INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!!


YES, JOE. THAT'S WHY I CALLED IT AN EXTERNAL INDICATOR!

Sheesh! This is hard work [ wipes perspiration off brow]




I will have to use predictive skills to
determine my position.

BUY SEEING THE SET OF YOUR WAKE? THATS EXTERNAL!!!!

I KNOW! THAT IS WHY I CALLED IT **EXTERNAL**.

[wipes more perspitarion off brow]





On a 70 mile trip, I will be accurate to within one
mile.





BECAUSE OF EXTERNAL IMPUT YOU GOT BY SEEING YOUR WAKE AND MAKING
CORRECTIONS USING YOUR COMPASS COURSE, WHICH IS EXTERNAL IMPUT, unless
your on a bent a toe and the wake is in the bildge.

Oh, good. All that shouting was tiring me out, and I do think that your
face turned quite red, too.

Joe, I was pointing out that sailors have been sailing with very little
external input for a very long time.
It is possible to sail with a fair degree of accuracy without much in the
way of inputs. Little over a generation ago, many people would cross the
channel (60 - 70 miles) with no instruments at all, apart from a rudimentary
compass.
You seem to have a problem understanding this. I can't understand how
anybody, with even a rudimentary amount of navigational training, cannot
grasp the fact that it is possible to plan a course, and sail to it, and
arrive at one's destination using a chart, tide tables, compass, watch and a
pencil.


I accept that this accuracy might be different on a trans-Atlantic
crossing,
as I have no experience of such things.


Thats mighty humble coming from a yachtmaster wanna be.

Humility is an important characteristic in a Yachtmaster! Maybe you should
do the course??


Now tell us how your going to be in the blind with no external imput
and navigate O yachtmaster.

Tsk, tsk. You're beginning to twist my words.



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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Joe, I was pointing out that sailors have been sailing with very little
external input for a very long time.
It is possible to sail with a fair degree of accuracy without much in the
way of inputs. Little over a generation ago, many people would cross the
channel (60 - 70 miles) with no instruments at all, apart from a rudimentary
compass.

I've been wait for you to describe what you meant by "no external inputs."
Clearly, if you had no inputs, (and no inertial guidance system) it would be
difficulty indeed to deduce where you were. And if all you meant was no GPS,
then the discussion is almost as meaningless.

But you claim in your previous post 1 mile accuracy for a 70 mile trip, crossing
a channel the has (I think) a current of several knots. Is this really
feasible? This implies a distance accuracy of about 1.5 %, which thus implies a
speed accuracy of about 0.1 knots. I doubt there's anyone here that would claim
to be able to "eyeball" a boat's speed with anywhere near this accuracy. I'm
not sure I could reliably calibrate my log this well, and I certainly wouldn't
trust it a day later.

And the course accuracy? That's better than 1 degree. Again, I know I can't
hold a course that well over time, but I would also argue that most compasses
aren't that accurate to start with. In fact, there are some locations where the
variation isn't that stable either.

And can anyone give the leeway figures for their boat that accurately? If the
wind is variable can you integrate the net affects over time? And how accurate
does one know the current? Even if you adjust for the state of the tide and the
phase of the moon, can you predict the current to 0.1 knot?

Can one argue that many errors are possible but they tend to cancel out? Nope,
it doesn't work that way; although there will likely be some canceling.

No, I can't buy your claim of 1 mile accuracy in a 70 mile trip, with only a
compass; I doubt you ever did it, and you certainly couldn't do it reliably.

Its certainly true that there were many, many coastal passages 100 years ago,
and I'm not going to claim that the accident rate was infinitely higher back
then. (It was, but that's not important.) But they did have other tools that
we tend to forget about: Lighthouses, fog horn, lead lines etc. They weren't
quite as blind as you're making them out to be.

BTW, I have done the experiment of sailing "blind" a number of times. I served
as a guide for a blind sailor a number of times, so I tried it out to see what
it was like. I refined it into a "parlor trick" for my students, where I would
lie in the bottom of the boat while they sailed about a mile around the river
basin. I could tell them where we were to within a 100 yards or so. The was
that because I had sailed this one square mile almost exclusively for 15 years,
I could locate myself any time by a number of cues, such as the traffic noise
from shore, or the wind patterns from buildings, or the different sounds of the
boats from different clubs. Like I said, a parlor trick. But someone who
crossed the Channel daily all their life would have the same ability.