Suuuuuuuuuuure. Just 'cos you don't live in a marina where you have to
motor in! Oh I forgot, you think putting an engine astern to clear the
prop is a major problem!


Hey! Attention back on me, please!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| Suuuuuuuuuuure. Just 'cos you don't live in a marina where you have to
| motor in! Oh I forgot, you think putting an engine astern to clear the
| prop is a major problem!
|
|
| Hey! Attention back on me, please!

Go plug in your Router Bits Bob... sailors are talking here!

CM

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"Joe" wrote in message
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That would be OK if I did not ram the dock. Guess you have to see
were I dock, wind is funneled between the building that hols the cigar
boats up in slings. So on most spring and summer days we have 10-15
kts wind blowing thru. Hits me broadside going into the slip. The slip
is 45 foot and the boat is 42. My boats a ketch with a 55ft main mast
and a 40 ft mizzen mast so I have lots of windage
to deal with. If I could just coast in and easily stop it would not be
as much an issue.

Jeeeeze. I had assumed that you had a motor boat.

Thats one of your problems lanod, your always assuming.


Your boat has a keel, fer cripes sake! It may have windage, but the keel
will resist the windage.

The marina is so shallow I have to pull my keel board up Lanod. So
you assumed again.


I often see clumsy oafs, like you, in our marina. They engage full
forward, and then full reverse. They seem to have no feel for the boat's
handling at all.

Who said anything about full throttle forward or reverse Loanod?
another assumption?


As it happens, I have a berth that might be similiar to your's. I'm at the
end of the fairway, and the prevailing wind blows my bow off. I never have
any problem at all, because I take it slowly. I used to have a power boat,
and in those days I had to worry about the things that you describe.


So your between 3 story buildings, that funnel wind, in shallow water?
Wind hits you broadside going into your narrow slip huh?


Now, we put the engine into neutral about 100 yards from the slip,

That must be nice to have a hundred yards to coast in and set up a
turn.


and just
glide in. The engine is rarely used at all after that, apart from the final
burst astern.

OH MY GOD a BURST astern.... Call the Harbor master and chief
Yachtmaster.
How many tons do you stop with your burst astern Lanod?


When my younger son was only 9 years old he was able to do it to perfection.
Maybe you should get some lessons???


Is he a physic yachtmaster like you?


Really, Joe, you are an embarrassement to real sailors. You are trying to
park your boat as if it was a big powerboat.


It is. And its a big Sail boat. Thats why I always call it a Motor
Sailing Vessel. Nice solid floor boards to, how's about your boat.



Regards


Donal
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Yeah Right,

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Joe" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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Jeeeeze. I had assumed that you had a motor boat.

Thats one of your problems lanod, your always assuming.


Your boat has a keel, fer cripes sake! It may have windage, but the keel
will resist the windage.

The marina is so shallow I have to pull my keel board up Lanod. So
you assumed again.

Hey! Don't blame me if you can't afford a proper slip!

I've already suggested a way for you to save money.




I often see clumsy oafs, like you, in our marina. They engage full
forward, and then full reverse. They seem to have no feel for the
boat's
handling at all.

Who said anything about full throttle forward or reverse Loanod?
another assumption?

You did, Eoj. You crashed into a neighbour's boat with enough force to
cause physical damage to their vessel. We've all seen people like you in
our marinas.

No sense of delicacy, no feeling for how the boat behaves, and a blind faith
in the power of the engine.

I recently saw a guy hit 5 boatsas he tried to park hi boat. At least he
hit them all fairly gently, and no real damage was done. He admitted that
it was the first time that he had sailed. What's your excuse?




So your between 3 story buildings, that funnel wind, in shallow water?
Wind hits you broadside going into your narrow slip huh?

Emmmm, that's not very far from the truth.




Now, we put the engine into neutral about 100 yards from the slip,

That must be nice to have a hundred yards to coast in and set up a
turn.

You should try it. Sailboats are good at it. Powerboats are not good at
it.




and just
glide in. The engine is rarely used at all after that, apart from the
final
burst astern.

OH MY GOD a BURST astern.... Call the Harbor master and chief
Yachtmaster.
How many tons do you stop with your burst astern Lanod?

What a stupid question!! The tonnage that is stopped is relative to the
horsepower available. I suspect that you have much more HP available than I
have.




When my younger son was only 9 years old he was able to do it to
perfection.
Maybe you should get some lessons???


Is he a physic yachtmaster like you?

You're drunk, aren't you?




Really, Joe, you are an embarrassement to real sailors. You are trying
to
park your boat as if it was a big powerboat.


It is. And its a big Sail boat. Thats why I always call it a Motor
Sailing Vessel. Nice solid floor boards to, how's about your boat.

Ask Boobie.



Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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Jeeeeze. I had assumed that you had a motor boat.

Thats one of your problems lanod, your always assuming.


Your boat has a keel, fer cripes sake! It may have windage, but the keel
will resist the windage.

The marina is so shallow I have to pull my keel board up Lanod. So
you assumed again.

Hey! Don't blame me if you can't afford a proper slip!

My slip has the best view on the lake, also have approx 1500 square
feet of dock for my stuff. I can park my cars and truck 30 feet from
the boat. I have my own palm trees and only one other live aboard on
the island. Lots of privicy great fishing, crabbing, and space to keep
the dink in the water.


I've already suggested a way for you to save money.




I often see clumsy oafs, like you, in our marina. They engage full
forward, and then full reverse. They seem to have no feel for the
boat's
handling at all.

Who said anything about full throttle forward or reverse Loanod?
another assumption?

You did, Eoj. You crashed into a neighbour's boat with enough force to
cause physical damage to their vessel. We've all seen people like you in
our marinas.

Lanod, Ive had a 1000 times more time at sea and manuavering boats
than you will ever have. There fore I have had more chances for things
to go wrong.
Some day if you ever go sailing for more than a day or two at a time
you might get a grasp on this concept.



No sense of delicacy, no feeling for how the boat behaves, and a blind faith
in the power of the engine.


Yeah your a delicate little ******, I can make any boat dance circles
around you.


I recently saw a guy hit 5 boatsas he tried to park hi boat.

Lay of the shirley temples Lanod, Its effecting your typing



At least he
hit them all fairly gently, and no real damage was done. He admitted that
it was the first time that he had sailed. What's your excuse?


Re-read the post lanod. It was a mechanical error the linkage came
off the transmission.



So your between 3 story buildings, that funnel wind, in shallow water?
Wind hits you broadside going into your narrow slip huh?

Emmmm, that's not very far from the truth.

Show us a sattalite photo lanod, lets see how confined your slip is, I
will post a photo of my slip.




Now, we put the engine into neutral about 100 yards from the slip,

That must be nice to have a hundred yards to coast in and set up a
turn.

You should try it. Sailboats are good at it. Powerboats are not good at
it.


How would you know?




and just
glide in. The engine is rarely used at all after that, apart from the
final
burst astern.

OH MY GOD a BURST astern.... Call the Harbor master and chief
Yachtmaster.
How many tons do you stop with your burst astern Lanod?

What a stupid question!! The tonnage that is stopped is relative to the
horsepower available. I suspect that you have much more HP available than I
have.

Yeah I have more boat, and more HP and more skill than you will ever
have.







When my younger son was only 9 years old he was able to do it to
perfection.
Maybe you should get some lessons???


Is he a physic yachtmaster like you?

You're drunk, aren't you?



Maybe, but I still can not navigate without any external imput like
you the yachtmaster wannabe, But hey, I know how to use a radar.




Really, Joe, you are an embarrassement to real sailors. You are trying
to
park your boat as if it was a big powerboat.


It is. And its a big Sail boat. Thats why I always call it a Motor
Sailing Vessel. Nice solid floor boards to, how's about your boat.

Ask Boobie.


Why? We all know bentatoes are crappy cheap buildt boats with loose
floorboards.


Regards


Donal
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Yeah Right,

Joe
MSV RedCloud

DSK wrote in message ...
Single. I prefer the fuel economy & lower maintenance, plus there's a lot more room down in the
engine room.

Joe wrote:
Thats ok unless you lose one engine.

Doesn't worry me.... since I can spend all my engine maintenance on one engine instead of two, I have
at least twice the reliability.

Not so Doug. If you had 2 engines you would have twice the experience
maintaining that type of engine. You would be twice the mechanic.


Plus, the usual causes of engine failure are either fuel or battery
related, so having two engines would not help.

If you lose one in at a critical time, its nice to have a back-up.
Like coming in a jetty,ect....


IMHO the idea of a "get-home" engine is simply marketing to insecurity & ignorance. It is only extra
weight, extra drag, extra expense, extra gear crammed into the machinery space... and extra
maintenance made more difficult by poor access.

I somewhat agree with you, a good detroit 4 71N is hard to kill and
very reliable. But myself, I would not buy a trawler with just one
engine.



And of-course twins manuver 400 times better.

Nah, only about 350X
There are a few boats I have looked over that had enough room for a sensible two-engine lay out, but
the added expense & maintenance is still a downer for me.

Yeah thats the down side for sure, Perhaps a motor sailing vessel is
best all the way around huh?




Not me I like to crowd the really expensive yachts and watch the
yachtmasters
blow there tops. If its a stbd side to docking, I have no fear. I like
to do the Capt Ron style landing, my brit boat had a stbd side helm
which makes it easy for me to single hand land her and tie her up if
needed . BTW Capt Rons Boat is a local boat here.

I've only been handling this power boat for about a year, so I don't really have the experience to
play around the same way I would in a sailboat. A couple weeks back, I docked a friends 40+ sailboat
singlehanded in a bit of cross wind, it seemed like old times.

Do you have flanking rudders on your boat? Lonie here in the yard is
converting a Navy 50 foot liberty boat and it has a nozzle located in
front of the prop. It rotates the same as the rudder,if the navy
adopted it it must make a difference. Flanking rudders make all the
difference in the world on a single screw and do not add that much to
the cost of construction. I ran a single screw tug for years pushing a
220 foot fuel flat on the ICW here in Texas. It had flanking rudders
and doubled the handling ability, still I wished it was a twin screw.

BTW There is a sweet Bruce Robert 50 foot Trawler here in the marina
selling for 55K. Steel hull and a 6-71TI detroit and Isuzu 12K gen
set. The owner is a airframe inspector and has kept the inside of the
hull as clean as the airframe on a flying 747. Wish I had the extra
cash to support two boats for a while.
He's the one with the fuel polishing system.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Joe wrote:
Not so Doug. If you had 2 engines you would have twice the experience
maintaining that type of engine. You would be twice the mechanic.

I'm twice the mechanic now. By your theory, if I had twins, I'd be
superhuman

IMHO the idea of a "get-home" engine is simply marketing to insecurity & ignorance. It is only extra
weight, extra drag, extra expense, extra gear crammed into the machinery space... and extra
maintenance made more difficult by poor access.


I somewhat agree with you, a good detroit 4 71N is hard to kill and
very reliable. But myself, I would not buy a trawler with just one
engine.

I wouldn't buy one with a single Detroit, either... but single versus
twin is a matter or preference & priorities. There certainly are
advantages to twin power, and there are some advantages to single.

...Perhaps a motor sailing vessel is
best all the way around huh?

We didn't pick a motor sailer for a couple of reasons. One is draft.
Another is bridge clearance. The rigging & sails are expensive and take
maintenance, and there are few that I like the looks of. The old
classics are the best IMHO but they are all wood... been there done that.




Do you have flanking rudders on your boat?

No, single conventional centerline rudder. It's a 1984 and was a bit
reactionary for back then. It woould be interesting to study putting in
flanking rudders. I understand they improve stright line efficiency too.



BTW There is a sweet Bruce Robert 50 foot Trawler here in the marina
selling for 55K. Steel hull and a 6-71TI detroit and Isuzu 12K gen
set. The owner is a airframe inspector and has kept the inside of the
hull as clean as the airframe on a flying 747. Wish I had the extra
cash to support two boats for a while.
He's the one with the fuel polishing system.

Oh boy! Steel hull _AND_ a Detroit... oh well it's a good thing
everybody has different tastes, eh?

I am rebuilding our fuel system and considering putting in a polishing
system. It'll go in at some point, not sure if now is the time. I am
also considering putting in some additional bladder tanks in unused hull
space. More range = good!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King