Er... you mean liberals?

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:57:13 -0500, DSK said:

Maybe your kid should have applied to one of those snooty schools that
does not
allow minorities.

Er...which ones are those? The ones the term "snooty" is most often
applied
to are among the strongest proponents of minority preferences.

Dave wrote:

... The ones the term "snooty" is most often applied
to are among the strongest proponents of minority preferences.

Like where?

The schools that I think of as "snooty" are the ones that are basically rich kids
clubs, and accept no Federal or state grants so they don't have to comply with
certain standards that might taint their lily-white standards. Needless to say,




Why should you be PO'd at minorities & affirmative action, your kid could just
as easily have been crowded out by a Bush or Cheney offspring... being rich,
affable, and well connected trumps everything else... no matter how dumb that
person is.

That sounds like what one commentator describes as pointing to bad behavior
to justify other bad behavior-- a favorite form of argument used when the
first bad behavior is totally indefensible on its own.

What "bad behavior" are you talking about?

Like many people whose state opinions based on nonsense, you are only spouting
nonsense and trite cliches.

DSK

Really? You mean all those snooty schools aren't where
the liberals hang out? Damn... I shoulda gone somewhere
else.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:07:52 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Er... you mean liberals?

Jonathan, you're being even less rational than usual. The question I was
asking clarification on was which schools are "those snooty schools that
[do] not allow minorities." Never heard of a school called "liberals."

BTW, even my kid couldn't get into the most selective college in the
country. It doesn't take women. And I don't have a problem with that.



"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:57:13 -0500, DSK said:

Maybe your kid should have applied to one of those snooty schools that
does not
allow minorities.

Er...which ones are those? The ones the term "snooty" is most often
applied
to are among the strongest proponents of minority preferences.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Michael wrote:

Racism is racism is racism. It matters not what direction or what
circumstance. I see no difference between those who would put a person in
school based on their being 'the right color' than one who would keep a
person out based on their being 'the wrong color'.

Well, you just aren't looking at the situation realistically. It is not racism
at all, it is rationing.

Fact- there are only so many places for students at colleges.
Fact- students vary *widely* in brainpower, athletic skill, and other
achievements.
Fact- getting a degree is a big step up in future prospects

So, how does one decide which students get in and which ones don't? It might be
fun to simply dump all prospective college applicants into a big pit and let
them fight it out... the survivors get into school. But that would not pick the
smartest, would it?

In the past, colleges have been entirely composed of rich WASP males (except for
the Jewish & Catholic colleges). The main requirement was the ability to pay.

Our society recognizes that people outside this limited circle can make great
contributions, so we like to try and let in students that have some prospect of
making advances in the sciences. Smart & motivated kids, in other words.

Now factor in that all high schools are not created equal, and you might see the
picture... let in kid A who is from a poor school but has great grades, fine
recommendations, and mediocre test scores; or kid B from a whitebread suburban
high school with equally good grades, recommendations slanted by family
connections, and test scores that are the product of a high-dollar seminar on
'How To Maximize Your SAT'? Or should we dump both kids and go with kids C & D
who are both dumb as stumps but are scions of politically powerful & wealthy
families?

There is no level playing field. Some kids are going to get left out. It has
been proven beyond a doubt that without some type of affirmative action
programs, minority students get left out no matter how promising they are...
unless they are football or basketball stars...


It's just another case
of supporting a pesonal definition 'lesser evil' and is, therefore, simply a
case of perpetuating evil

Another illogical and unsupportable statement. Where do you get this stuff?

Higher education is a valuable resource. We have to determine a rational &
positive means of distributing that asset. Nothing "evil" about it... just an
attempt to be fair, but as always, the ones left out are crying foul.

Regards- Doug King

Vito wrote:

My recollection of the period differes from yours - or perhaps you are just
repeating the BS you were told.

Michael is basically a good person, but he's disadvantaged... his head has been
stuffed with all sorts of nonsense and plain facts can't get in. For example, he
is absolutely positive that the New Deal "didn't work," that nobody was killed
in Kosovo, that the Federal Reserve creates U.S. gov't debt, etc etc.

It's sort of like that old story of the Zen master who kept pouring after the
cup was full. But he does talk sailing and that's a good thing.

DSK

Dave wrote:

...Could you
perhaps name a couple of examples of these "snooty" schools?


Why, do you want to send your kids there?

There are lots and lots of private colleges like this... just look in their catalog
and see if they skip photos of "token" blacks... Oral Roberts U. comes to mind.



Unicorn U. doesn't count.

Do you practice spouting nonsense, or is it your special talent?

BTW have you ever posted anything about sailing? This will be the last time I answer
any of your non-sailing posts, no matter how ignorant & obnoxious you act.

DSK

No, but if you look in the mirror, you'll see one standing behind you.

The ones that don't accept public money. I'll let you do the research.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:34:42 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Really? You mean all those snooty schools aren't where
the liberals hang out? Damn... I shoulda gone somewhere
else.

Let me ask it again. What are "those snooty schools that
[do] not allow minorities"? Which schools were you talking about? A
couple
of examples will do. Seen any unicorns lately?

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

No. Just some of course.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:02:18 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

The ones that don't accept public money. I'll let you do the research.

Ah, so any school that chooses to march to its own drummer rather than
subject itself to the guvmint's thought police is by definition "snooty."

I see.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

What do you define as snooty?

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:22:34 -0500, DSK said:

Why, do you want to send your kids there?

No, mine finished college a couple of years ago. I want to explore what
you
meant by "snooty."

There are lots and lots of private colleges like this... just look in
their catalog
and see if they skip photos of "token" blacks... Oral Roberts U. comes to
mind.

So Oral Roberts U. is a "snooty" school?

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it
means
just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many
different things.'


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

And, I specifically asked how you define it. You must have a definition
that doesn't match what Doug's is or you wouldn't have been offended
by Doug's use of it.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:58:36 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

What do you define as snooty?

Not my word. It was Doug's, and yours by adoption. Like Humpty, each of
you
is master of his own words.

Now if you were to ask what I think most people would think the denotation
of "snooty school" is I'd say they'd probably think of the Ivies, the
potted
Ivies, MIT, Chicago, and perhaps a few others. A few would probably also
think of the so-called "finishing schools." I doubt that many would think
of
Oral Roberts Univ., Grove City or others who refuse gummint money as
"snooty" schools.

But if you choose to use the word so, who am I to say nay. I was simply
exploring your use to see whether your word had any content other than its
pejorative connotation.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27