"Michael" wrote in message
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.In real life the reasons soldiers fight, is the same as the
reason NFL linebackers play football.

The taste of blood?


They support the team not the owners.
They work for money first, applause is a distant second. Same way it's
been
for thousands of years.

The NFL was formed in 1922.

SV

No. Impossible. I can't be right in your view. YOU WIN TOO!

wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males attaining
age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It
never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up forms
.. .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to many
youngsters means . . .no college.


There is no draft, and there has not been a draft for a long time. As
Gayanzy
pointed out, it would require an act of congress to start a draft.

BB

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males attaining age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up forms . .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to many
youngsters means . . .no college.

M.


Are you saying that a mandatory 15 minute trip to the Post Office to
fill out a form is the same thing as a two year tour with the Army?
Well, I guess some Post Offices are slow and have been known to be
dangerous, but your apples and oranges won't float. If no one is
drafted most folks would say we don't *currently* have a draft.


wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than a
push of a button to create one.

BB

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:21:13 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

No. Impossible. I can't be right in your view. YOU WIN TOO!

Strange bedfellows in an election year I sure hope I spelled
election correctly...


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males attaining
age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It
never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up forms
. .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to many
youngsters means . . .no college.


There is no draft, and there has not been a draft for a long time. As
Gayanzy
pointed out, it would require an act of congress to start a draft.

BB

You do the Bobsprit imitation better than I do the Neal imitation. Think
I'll retire and keep my day and my night job.

M.


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

"Michael" wrote in message
...
The most amusing part is a Democrat being silly enough to comment on
military service at all. Next thing you know they'll be talking morals,
values, and standards. Bwa Ha Ha HA Ha . . . .. (damn this filling in
for
Neal is HARD!) How'd I do?

You're still a bit light on the bigotry, misogyny and theft masquerading
as
libertarianism. You have the lying part down pretty good, but you have a
ways
to go before you're a true Republican.

Translation: "But What ABOUT the REEEEpublicans?

Who cares? They are just politicians like the Democrats ergo not 'worthy'
people. Citing evil is not an excuse for evil. Sniveling is not a valid
point of discussion. And using your own negatives to describe someone else
is sort of silly don't you agree?

OK took a while but I understand the point . . .finally.

Soo. .. you excuse the misdeeds of your guy by citing the misdeeds of
someone else's guy?

Try harder, I expected better.

M.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Not that well... morals... hmmm... like Bush's daughters getting busted.
Or, Gingrich telling his wife in the hospital that he's dumping her? Or,
maybe it's Rush's multiple marriages. Or, possibly Hatch releasing
classified information when he wasn't supposed to. Or, Ashcrap "anointing"
himself with oil when he was picked to be AG (well, that's not amoral,
just bizarre). Or, Henry Hyde's mistress. Oh, I know what you mean...
Bill and Hillary actually raising an intelligent, thoughful daughter
inside
the political fishbowl.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
The most amusing part is a Democrat being silly enough to comment on
military service at all. Next thing you know they'll be talking morals,
values, and standards. Bwa Ha Ha HA Ha . . . .. (damn this filling in
for
Neal is HARD!) How'd I do?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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The most amusing part about the Bush military issue is that he
failed
to show up for his physical.

You don't know this. Everything I have seen or read up intill LAST
NIGHT
states they are still looking for the records.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Deferment or not it's still conscription which is taking people against
their will. Another word for slavery no matter how well it's disguised.
Resorting to which is proof the societal system has failed and is not worth
saving. Such systems have always deferred the elite and drawn heavily from
the defenseless masses.

Think a minute. If the prosecution of the wars in Kosovo or Iraq was
dependent on the soldiers voting with their feet (Go Home or Go To War)
Or for that matter if the same was used in WWI, WWII, Korea,Viet-Nam what
would the vote have been?

Hint: In WWII the majority of those in uniform were drafted. Tell you
something?

Now as a professional soldier I looked at it a bit differently. I didn't
come forward for love of anything more than a paycheck. Well . .at first I
did but I learned fast.

So there are three choices.

a. One is military slavery as you seem to be promoting. It's the system
used by failures with big guns and bigger jails to coerce support. Can't
stand alone and needs professionals (see part b) to make sure they toe the
line.

b. One is using a professional military, mercenaries is a good word.
Buying loyalty with money in other words. Not bad if you are the highest
bidder and the end product is fantastically good at what it does. They
don't question the job, they just perform, get paid, and go on vacation.

c. Finally, seeing if what you are going to war about will get voluntary
support in sufficient numbers.

Which is the most democratic? (Small "d".) Which is the most dictatorial?
I know, it's obviously rhetorical.

I'll try again. Which group would you trust the most with a loaded weapon,
in the middle of Kansas?

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You shouldn't be surprised. He was advocating a non-deferment draft,
wherein
those who have privilege aren't exempt. Seems right to me.

"Michael" wrote in message
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Yes I was surprised that Rangle of all people supported a return to
active
conscription. Another term for slavery. I think what it takes is
either
a
declaration of war by the Congress (and one of the reasons they didn't)
or
a
Presidential order/decree whatever they call it. Whatever, the youth of
the
country are very much on the hook.

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
It would take an act of Congress. I believe Rangle (sp?) has
introduced
such legislation.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective
Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older
males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push
button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than
a
push of a button to create one.

BB

Funnily enough we had a lot of Canadians in our unit. They traded Viet-Nam
time for citizenship in the US.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Not to mention a lot of our dregs went to Canada. And still live there.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...

minorities who did not qualify for a multitude of exemptions. In fact it
produced the exact opposite of what you suggest with middle and upper
class
whites getting married, going to college, or Russia or whereever.

They used to be called Gladiators.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Michael" wrote in message
...
.In real life the reasons soldiers fight, is the same as the
reason NFL linebackers play football.

The taste of blood?


They support the team not the owners.
They work for money first, applause is a distant second. Same way it's
been
for thousands of years.

The NFL was formed in 1922.

SV

And most folks would be wrong. The only change was the final step was
temporarily put on hold. Don't you get those ads on TV telling the kids to
sign up. You know the ones. "It's the right thing to do and IT'S THE LAW!"


"felton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males attaining
age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It
never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up forms
.. .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to many
youngsters means . . .no college.

M.


Are you saying that a mandatory 15 minute trip to the Post Office to
fill out a form is the same thing as a two year tour with the Army?
Well, I guess some Post Offices are slow and have been known to be
dangerous, but your apples and oranges won't float. If no one is
drafted most folks would say we don't *currently* have a draft.


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older
males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push
button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than a
push of a button to create one.

BB