"In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer
military.

The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was
resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet
invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge
against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future
crisis."

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...afthistory.htm

or...

"The military draft ended thirty years ago when the U.S. armed forces
pulled out of Vietnam."

http://grassley.senate.gov/won/2003/won02-01-10.htm


As no one has been drafted since 1973, don't you think it is a bit
silly to say that we have a draft when all we have is a registration
requirement?




On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:06:16 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

And most folks would be wrong. The only change was the final step was
temporarily put on hold. Don't you get those ads on TV telling the kids to
sign up. You know the ones. "It's the right thing to do and IT'S THE LAW!"


"felton" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males attaining
age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It
never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up forms
. .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to many
youngsters means . . .no college.

M.


Are you saying that a mandatory 15 minute trip to the Post Office to
fill out a form is the same thing as a two year tour with the Army?
Well, I guess some Post Offices are slow and have been known to be
dangerous, but your apples and oranges won't float. If no one is
drafted most folks would say we don't *currently* have a draft.


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older
males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push
button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than a
push of a button to create one.

BB

No. Of course not. However, there's a big difference between
getting a blow job and screwing a couple of nations. Was that
better?

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Translation: "But What ABOUT the REEEEpublicans?

Who cares? They are just politicians like the Democrats ergo not 'worthy'
people. Citing evil is not an excuse for evil. Sniveling is not a valid
point of discussion. And using your own negatives to describe someone else
is sort of silly don't you agree?

OK took a while but I understand the point . . .finally.

Soo. .. you excuse the misdeeds of your guy by citing the misdeeds of
someone else's guy?

Try harder, I expected better.

M.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Not that well... morals... hmmm... like Bush's daughters getting busted.
Or, Gingrich telling his wife in the hospital that he's dumping her? Or,
maybe it's Rush's multiple marriages. Or, possibly Hatch releasing
classified information when he wasn't supposed to. Or, Ashcrap
"anointing"
himself with oil when he was picked to be AG (well, that's not amoral,
just bizarre). Or, Henry Hyde's mistress. Oh, I know what you mean...
Bill and Hillary actually raising an intelligent, thoughful daughter
inside
the political fishbowl.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
The most amusing part is a Democrat being silly enough to comment on
military service at all. Next thing you know they'll be talking
morals,
values, and standards. Bwa Ha Ha HA Ha . . . .. (damn this filling in
for
Neal is HARD!) How'd I do?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
The most amusing part about the Bush military issue is that he
failed
to show up for his physical.

You don't know this. Everything I have seen or read up intill LAST
NIGHT
states they are still looking for the records.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

And, I still like the idea. I think that the privileges or citizenship
require
some sacrifice. Serving in the military seems reasonable to me.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Deferment or not it's still conscription which is taking people against
their will. Another word for slavery no matter how well it's disguised.
Resorting to which is proof the societal system has failed and is not
worth
saving. Such systems have always deferred the elite and drawn heavily
from
the defenseless masses.

Think a minute. If the prosecution of the wars in Kosovo or Iraq was
dependent on the soldiers voting with their feet (Go Home or Go To War)
Or for that matter if the same was used in WWI, WWII, Korea,Viet-Nam what
would the vote have been?

Hint: In WWII the majority of those in uniform were drafted. Tell you
something?

Now as a professional soldier I looked at it a bit differently. I didn't
come forward for love of anything more than a paycheck. Well . .at first
I
did but I learned fast.

So there are three choices.

a. One is military slavery as you seem to be promoting. It's the system
used by failures with big guns and bigger jails to coerce support. Can't
stand alone and needs professionals (see part b) to make sure they toe the
line.

b. One is using a professional military, mercenaries is a good word.
Buying loyalty with money in other words. Not bad if you are the highest
bidder and the end product is fantastically good at what it does. They
don't question the job, they just perform, get paid, and go on vacation.

c. Finally, seeing if what you are going to war about will get voluntary
support in sufficient numbers.

Which is the most democratic? (Small "d".) Which is the most dictatorial?
I know, it's obviously rhetorical.

I'll try again. Which group would you trust the most with a loaded
weapon,
in the middle of Kansas?

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You shouldn't be surprised. He was advocating a non-deferment draft,
wherein
those who have privilege aren't exempt. Seems right to me.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Yes I was surprised that Rangle of all people supported a return to
active
conscription. Another term for slavery. I think what it takes is
either
a
declaration of war by the Congress (and one of the reasons they
didn't)
or
a
Presidential order/decree whatever they call it. Whatever, the youth
of
the
country are very much on the hook.

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
It would take an act of Congress. I believe Rangle (sp?) has
introduced
such legislation.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"

wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective
Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and
older
males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When
cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer
push
button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more
than
a
push of a button to create one.

BB

ahhahaaaa... ok

"felton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:21:13 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

No. Impossible. I can't be right in your view. YOU WIN TOO!

Strange bedfellows in an election year I sure hope I spelled
election correctly...


wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

El wrongo....Selective Service Act is still in force and males
attaining
age
18 or above are required to sign up. It can be used at any time. It
never
went away. Did you really not KNOW that? Try calling the local high
school. That and the post office is where the kids get the sign up
forms
. .
.and it' aint voluntary. No sign up, no federal benefits which to
many
youngsters means . . .no college.


There is no draft, and there has not been a draft for a long time. As
Gayanzy
pointed out, it would require an act of congress to start a draft.

BB

No way! Carter was a liberal. I guess the exception proves
the rule.

"felton" wrote in message
...

"In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer
military.

The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was
resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet
invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge
against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future
crisis."

"felton" wrote
......., but for me, 600 is too many if we didn't have a justifiable
reason to go. Not to mention the huge expenditure of our tax dollars.

The justification is that we eliminated a threat to Israel - period!

I wonder how the American sentiment would view this war and our
elected leadership if we still had a draft and it *might* affect all
the young folks, instead of the few.

I doubt there'd be much difference thanks to our vast weapon superiority.
There wouldn't have been near the protests had we over ran North Viet Nam in
a month, with few losses, then jailed the communists, installed a puppet
government and left - instead of spending years and 50,000 American lives
trying *unsuccessfully* to "pacify" the place.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote this crap:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older males are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push button
away.

I just got a letter from the Selective Service System today.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:18:40 GMT, wrote
this crap:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older males are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than a
push of a button to create one.

Think again, bozo.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

No matter how many times you "go down" to the Army recruiting
office, they're going to tell you no.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:18:40 GMT, wrote
this crap:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:09:54 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

What do you mean 'if we still had the draft?' The Selective Service
System
is alive, well and ready to be used when needed. All 18 and older males
are
still required to register for universal conscription. When cannon
fodder
is needed . . . . .re-activating the system is but a computer push
button
away.


We do not currently have a draft, and it would take a bit more than a
push of a button to create one.

Think again, bozo.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

No . ..you are think of the wrong box. They are in the box with the
Kosovo mass graves. You guys gotta get a better filing system.

M.

wrote in message
...
On 11 Feb 2004 18:03:54 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

The most amusing part about the Bush military issue is that he failed
to show up for his physical.

You don't know this. Everything I have seen or read up intill LAST NIGHT
states they are still looking for the records.

Last time I saw them, they were in a box with Iraq's WMD's.

BB