A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe and I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser. First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

You're lucky no one was hurt.

Was there some reason for not assigning shifts to do the anchor
watch? Then, you get continuous coverage, and everyone gets
some sleep. Something to think about next time.

Jonathan

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

I didn't go below until I was confident we were securely anchored. However,
we did discuss anchor watch shifts and you're right, it would have been the
better thing to do.

I also considered setting a second bow anchor. However, I had an
inexperienced crew and felt it might create more problems than it prevented
(such as fouling the prop in the first anchor rode). Instead I opted to
increase scope, and never did I find an indication we were dragging.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're lucky no one was hurt.

Was there some reason for not assigning shifts to do the anchor
watch? Then, you get continuous coverage, and everyone gets
some sleep. Something to think about next time.

Jonathan

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on
our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds
in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and
partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad
for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before
sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up
out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts
around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds
are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe
and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor
off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first
impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin
cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd
seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin
cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a
dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away
by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but
the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on
deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a
beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

Nice story. How did you get hold of the cabin cruiser guy?

SV

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

I think you did the right thing w.r.t. adding scope. Setting a second anchor
if it isn't necessary just complicates life.

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
I didn't go below until I was confident we were securely anchored.
However,
we did discuss anchor watch shifts and you're right, it would have been
the
better thing to do.

I also considered setting a second bow anchor. However, I had an
inexperienced crew and felt it might create more problems than it
prevented
(such as fouling the prop in the first anchor rode). Instead I opted to
increase scope, and never did I find an indication we were dragging.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're lucky no one was hurt.

Was there some reason for not assigning shifts to do the anchor
watch? Then, you get continuous coverage, and everyone gets
some sleep. Something to think about next time.

Jonathan

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on
our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is
due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear
day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds
in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored
in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and
partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad
for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine
on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few
of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser
anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before
sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up
out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts
around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds
are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe
and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor
off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG!
I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first
impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps,
then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin
cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd
seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin
cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor
on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a
dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel
at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away
by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but
the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on
deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm,
very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a
non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a
beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

A good anchor, properly set in sand, should hold in almost any "straight-line"
situation. I often use two anchors, but usually because the bottom is soft, or
I'm expecting a wind or current shift. BTW, setting and recovering two hooks is
not as difficult as it would seem, but you don't want to do it the first time in
the dark.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think you did the right thing w.r.t. adding scope. Setting a second anchor
if it isn't necessary just complicates life.

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
I didn't go below until I was confident we were securely anchored.
However,
we did discuss anchor watch shifts and you're right, it would have been
the
better thing to do.

I also considered setting a second bow anchor. However, I had an
inexperienced crew and felt it might create more problems than it
prevented
(such as fouling the prop in the first anchor rode). Instead I opted to
increase scope, and never did I find an indication we were dragging.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're lucky no one was hurt.

Was there some reason for not assigning shifts to do the anchor
watch? Then, you get continuous coverage, and everyone gets
some sleep. Something to think about next time.

Jonathan

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on
our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is
due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear
day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds
in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored
in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and
partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad
for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine
on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few
of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser
anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before
sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up
out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts
around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds
are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe
and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor
off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG!
I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first
impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps,
then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin
cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd
seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin
cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor
on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a
dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel
at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away
by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but
the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on
deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm,
very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a
non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a
beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

Good story. Did you think about putting a line onto the cruisers anchor
warp and letting out more scope again?

Cheers

Brien Alkire wrote:

A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe and I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser. First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

And with inexperienced crew...

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A good anchor, properly set in sand, should hold in almost any
"straight-line"
situation. I often use two anchors, but usually because the bottom is
soft, or
I'm expecting a wind or current shift. BTW, setting and recovering two
hooks is
not as difficult as it would seem, but you don't want to do it the first
time in
the dark.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think you did the right thing w.r.t. adding scope. Setting a second
anchor
if it isn't necessary just complicates life.

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
I didn't go below until I was confident we were securely anchored.
However,
we did discuss anchor watch shifts and you're right, it would have
been
the
better thing to do.

I also considered setting a second bow anchor. However, I had an
inexperienced crew and felt it might create more problems than it
prevented
(such as fouling the prop in the first anchor rode). Instead I opted
to
increase scope, and never did I find an indication we were dragging.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're lucky no one was hurt.

Was there some reason for not assigning shifts to do the anchor
watch? Then, you get continuous coverage, and everyone gets
some sleep. Something to think about next time.

Jonathan

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring
at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some
info on
our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove
is
due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear
day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12
knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of
winds
in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making
progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We
anchored
in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet
of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and
partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not
bad
for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also
swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of
wine
on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A
few
of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and
apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser
anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before
sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana
kicked up
out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with
gusts
around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The
winds
are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very
severe
and
I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow
anchor
off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud
BANG!
I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first
impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps,
then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin
cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin
cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser
(we'd
seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin
cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the
anchor
on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a
dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers
and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no
lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the
vessel
at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel
was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi
away
by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding,
but
the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed
on
deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm,
very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got
up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a
non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well
and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a
beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Nice story. How did you get hold of the cabin cruiser guy?

We wrote down the registration number immediately after the collision. I
faxed a request for info to the National Vessel Documentation Center and
sent copies to the USCG Group that I worked with on VHF that night, and to
the Marina Del Rey sheriff. It was the latter that provided me contact info
for the owner based on the registration number.

It drifted away too quickly for that, we would have had to lift our anchor
and pursue it. If someone was onboard and in distress then we would have
lifted anchor and tried to help. But it was not worth the risk to our crew
to pursue an unoccupied vessel drifting out to sea (no lee shore).


"Nav" wrote in message
...
Good story. Did you think about putting a line onto the cruisers anchor
warp and letting out more scope again?

Cheers

Brien Alkire wrote:

A few weeks ago I submitted a posting asking for info on anchoring at
Paradise Cove in Malibu. We went last weekend, so here's some info on
our
experience.

We left Marina Del Rey at 10:30 in a Catalina 36. Paradise Cove is due
west
and the wind was nose on. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear day.
Temperature was around 70F, and winds initially were around 12 knots.

The wind and waves built throughout the afternoon with plenty of
whitecaps.
We had many periods of solid 18 knot winds, and short periods of winds
in
the low 20s and waves around 5 ft. It was difficult making progress
upwind,
but we were having a great time.

We arrived at Paradise Cove and set the anchor by 16:00. We anchored in
sand outside the kelp beds about 300 feet off the pier in 38 feet of
water.
The wind died down suddenly, partly due to shelter of the cove and
partly
due to their own accord.

I snorkeled for a short while, with visibility around 15 feet (not bad
for
the coastline around here, but nothing like the islands). I also swam
down
and checked the anchor, which was fine. We enjoyed a bottle of wine on
deck
as the sunset, and watched numerous pods of dolphins swim by. A few of
them
even jumped, and it was a happy time with a goreous sunset.

There were two other sailboats in the cove, further out and apparently
unoccupied (one was moored). There was a 25 foot cabin cruiser anchored
about 100 feet from the pier. We saw a few kayakers around before
sunset
too.

After sunset there was a dramatic change. A nasty Santa Ana kicked up
out
of the east. I would say the winds were in the high 20s with gusts
around
40. It blew out any westerly swell, so the water was calm. The winds
are
warm.

We enjoyed a nice BBQ dinner. After dinner, the wind was very severe
and I
checked the anchor. It seemed to be holding fine (single plow anchor
off
the bow). I let out more scope as a precaution, and went below.

At 20:10 (shortly after letting out more scope) we heard a loud BANG! I
looked up through the campionway and saw a structure. My first
impression
was that our bimini had been blown off. I scrambled up the steps, then
realized the structure was not our bimini, it was the cabin cruiser.
First
I didn't know if we'd dragged anchor or what had happened. Then I
realized
we were still anchored fine, and my impression was that the cabin
cruiser
had swung into us. There was no one onboard the cabin cruiser (we'd
seen
some folks in a dinghy earlier). And it was clear that the cabin
cruiser
was dragging anchor.

I debated whether I wanted to try and board her and reset the anchor on
the
cabin cruiser. However, we're not very experienced, don't have a
dinghy,
and the winds were howling. Instead I wrote down the CF numbers and
hailed
the USCG.

The cabin cruiser was flying out to sea fast! Luckily, there's no lee
shore
in this condition at Paradise Cove. The USCG intercepted the vessel at
around 22:00. We could see from the anchor light that the vessel was
about
to go hull down, and we estimated it must have been nearly 10 nmi away
by
then (it was flying fast).

We were fine, only our BBQ was destroyed. Our anchor was holding, but
the
event made us all anxious. I sent the crew to sleep and I stayed on
deck
and watched the anchor until 1AM. It was a beautiful night, warm, very
clear, the moon almost full. I went below for some sleep, and got up
every
two hours to check the anchor throughout the night.

The next morning was beautiful and all was well. We had a non-eventful
trip
home.

The owner of the cabin cruiser paid for the damage and all is well and
everyone happy.

A little more adventure than I would have wished for, but it's a
beautiful
place and I'll be sure to go again.

-B.