On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:56:14 -0500, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote: You got the wrong impression.

I don't have any impression of you at all....and you place much to much value on your efect upon anyone here. You are a shade of Neal, a snippet of Mundo, a titch of McDiarmid...but then, you haven't survived any of them, whereas I have outlasted them all.....

And yet, in all this time, you still haven't figgered out how to set
your word wrap.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Please Katy, PLEASE I'm begging you to set your word wrap. I'ts
driving me out of my freaking mind. I can't take much more. FOR THE
LOVE OF GOD PLEEEEEEEASE!!!!!! Help me.



This signature is now the stupidest signature in the universe



"Horvath" wrote in message news
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:56:14 -0500, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote: You got the wrong impression.

I don't have any impression of you at all....and you place much to much value on your efect upon anyone here. You are a shade of Neal, a snippet of Mundo, a titch of McDiarmid...but then, you haven't survived any of them, whereas I have outlasted them all.....

And yet, in all this time, you still haven't figgered out how to set
your word wrap.

And, you have tits.

"Horvath" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:56:14 -0500, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote: You got the wrong impression.

I don't have any impression of you at all....and you place much to much
value on your efect upon anyone here. You are a shade of Neal, a snippet of
Mundo, a titch of McDiarmid...but then, you haven't survived any of them,
whereas I have outlasted them all.....

And yet, in all this time, you still haven't figgered out how to set
your word wrap.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Horvath redundantly quipped:=20
And yet, in all this time, you still haven't figgered out how to set
your word wrap.

Oh, but I have. You're just too blind to see.
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Horvath impersonator cried;=20
Please Katy, PLEASE I'm begging you to set your word wrap. I'ts
driving me out of my freaking mind. I can't take much more. FOR THE
LOVE OF GOD PLEEEEEEEASE!!!!!! Help me.

Oh...puh-leeze..if you're going to impersonate, at least try to keep =
some of the original personality...Oh! I forgot...there is no original =
personality!

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Joe spake and revealed the great void called his "mind":
Yeah we learned how the French were cowards in WW11.

For Katy:
The French do have a history of cowardice and hatred of anything
Western. Nevertheless, the lengths they will go to propagate their odd
beliefs are astounding.

"Francophonie can and must be an alternative to the cultural and
linguistic uniformity that threatens the world," French Culture
Minister Jacques Toubon said in 1993 at a summit of French-speaking
nations.

Uh, Culture Minister?

They defend their culture and language to the point of creating
legislation to guarantee that English does not overwhelm their
"beautiful" language on signs or in speech. To most people these are
simply signs of arrogance, or possibly even low self-esteem. It is not
quite that simple. These people will give up freedom, ignore history,
destroy their economy, and appease tyrants just to feel good about
themselves.

The latest bit of genius to come from the French motherland was very
telling. Just last week, CNN reported that France has threatened to
stop cooperating with the U.S. in terror investigations after
Washington said it would seek the death penalty for suspect Zacarias
Moussaoui.

While the elitist French nincompoops attempted to protect yet another
known homicidal maniac, John Ashcroft quickly announced that Mr.
Moussaoui will be prosecuted aggressively, and his ultimate demise is
the goal of the US Government. All of this predictably took place
despite the vulgar threats and ultimatums used by French officials.

Plaguing many great thinkers is the ever-evasive solution on how to
deal with the French. Obviously, no one who protects terrorists at the
expense of countless innocent civilians can be reasoned with. Until
French action actually puts us in harms way, let us just let posterity
deal the crushing historical blow. France will long continue to be
known as the home of weak-kneed odoriferous chain-smoking cowards.







We learned your
country was a dumping ground for prisoners,

For Katy:

Western Australia began its life as a free colony in 1829 and it was
not until its 21st birthday in 1850 that the convict labour it sought
to bolster its flagging economy finally arrived. The 18 year history
of its convict past between 1850 and 1868 may be given most attention
by historians, but it is important to note that its first taste of
convict life was really in 1827 when a small party of soldiers and
convicts arrived from Sydney to establish a British presence in the
region amidst fears of French occupation. It is even possible that
some of the New South Wales convicts found themselves further north in
the Swan River Settlement in the years that followed.
As with Tasmania, New Zealand and Victoria, Western Australia also
received a number of convict boys from Parkhurst Prison during the
1840s. They had been rehabilitated in England and arrived as free
settlers destined for apprenticeships with local settlers and their
convict past is often forgotten.

Rottnest Island to the west of Fremantle, had been used for local
colonial offenders since 1838, but 1850 marked a major change in
policy when the first 75 convicts arrived from England aboard the
Scindian.

In all, around 9,720 British convicts were sent directly to the colony
in 43 ships between 1850-1868. Thirty seven of the voyages carried
large numbers of prisoners from England, although one voyage actually
collected her load in Bermuda. The remaining six ships brought smaller
cargoes of military prisoners from amongst the ranks of British troops
serving in India.

Modern historians are now putting forward alternative theories, but
the traditional reason why Western Australia elected to change its
status from a free colony to a penal colony was that local settlers
needed a supply of cheap labour to help develop the region. The
decision also came at a time when the eastern states were shutting
down their penal settlements and once again Britain found herself
without an offshore dumping ground for her convicts, just as had
happened 65 years earlier after the American War of Independence.

Interestingly though, and possibly out of necessity, Britain was also
re-assessing her criminal system and beginning to keep more of her
lesser offenders at home. That being the case, it is not surprising to
find that many of Western Australia's convicts were the more hardened
criminals who were convicted for more serious crimes than stealing
sheep and picking pockets, especially as the Western Australian
chapter drew to a close.

Western Australia's convicts were sentenced to terms of 6, 7, 10, 14
and 15 years and some reports suggest that their literacy rate was
around 75% as opposed to 50% for those sent to the eastern states.
About a third of the convicts left the Swan River Colony after serving
their time but many were also re-convicted locally for later offences.
There are also four instances of prisoners escaping and being sent out
again after being re-captured.

The following series of pages contain passenger lists for the 43
convict transports sent to Western Australia. They are an amalgum of
information extracted from several sources and in the process every
attempt has been made to correct the various anomalies, omissions and
typographical errors which were encountered.

This presentation has been compiled in good faith, but as always,
cyber-tourists are urged to treat the information with caution and
refer to primary sources for confirmation and further research. Some
readily available secondary sources are listed at the foot of each
page and they will provide much more information about individual
convicts, their pensioner guards and the ships which brought them to
Western Australia.

A more recent resource which has yet to be fully transcribed is a
series of lists compiled and published by the original Convict
Establishment of Western Australia. It lists convicts in registration
number order, not only as they arrived, but also as various prisoners
were re-convicted locally, or as local offenders joined their ranks.

This new resource primarily deals with the convicts' physical
appearance but full trial dates are also given on the later lists.
Unfortunately the listings only exist in the form of a photocopy of a
rather tattered original document held in the Battye Library in Perth,
Western Australia, but a sample of what can be found on them can be
seen on this sample page for the first voyage of the Pyrenees in 1851.
We plan to transcribe the rest as time goes on.



and we learned the metric
system was not worth the effort to learn unless we were dumb enough to
buy a Jap car and willing to work on it ourselfs.


For Katy:

What I think of the metric system" by Joan Pontius

In Belgium, you can buy jam in returnable jars, and once I finished my
jar, and was cleaning it, and in the glass at the bottom was "3/8 L".
And this sortof threw me, because I was a big metric fan, and the
great advantage of the metric system was that it got rid of all those
silly fractions. So why were they using them here in metric-land?
Then I figured the jar was only so big, so it took up less space to
print 3/8 L rather than 0.375 L.

But there was another possibility. That being that although the
metric system looks good on paper, people/society finds fractions
useful. So ok, we have the metric system for important stuff, but
for certain situations, fractions will be used.

So then, I'm slowly picking up some Dutch, and we go out for beers,
and Filip is always asking for "A Pincha", and I find out that
actually he's saying "a pintje", meaning "a small pint". So here we
are in metric land, and people are ordering their beers with English
terms!

So this is really throwing me, and I say, yeah but Filip, it's not a
pint, it's 250 milliliters! Why do you call it a pint? You've got
the metric system, why don't you use it? Why don't you order in
metric? You don't need those silly english measurements, you have New
and Improved Metric units. When you go into a cafe, instead of
shouting "Een Pintje Alstublieft" you should say,
two-hundred-and-fifty-milliliters alstublieft." And he just gave me a
strange look, and mumbled something about it being too hard to say.
And ok, maybe giving the precise amount of milliliters is a bit
extreme, but he could at least say, "A quarter liter alstublieft."
But then maybe even that would be too difficult after lots of beer, so
maybe just giving that one unit a name makes sense.

But then that means that something screwy is going on. Not only are
the Europeans turning the metric system back into fractions, but
they're giving names to them! We change everything into metric, then
people find it more useful to use fractions, and then they give names
to these fractions, and before you know it, we're back where we
started from!

Then I got fired from my job in Brussels, or was asked to resign, or
whatever you want to call it, I had LOTS of free time and not much to
do. I read what I could find, but since my French and Dutch were so
bad, this consisted of reading cook-books.

So I was reading these cooking books, and it was weird, because
these recipes would have "half a cup" of one thing, and an "eet-lapel"
or "koffie-lapel" of something else.

So I said, "Hey Filip, what's an eet-lapel?" And he told me it's an
eating spoon (which is really a soup spoon), and a koffie lapel is a
coffee spoon, like the english teaspoons. And I say, "But hey, we're
in metric-land! Dat gaat niet!" And he says, "Of course we use the
metric system, but in that one case, they're just writing it that way
for the easiness of the people." (ie, to make it easy on everyone).

So then I go to my mother-in-law-to-be, and I say, "Hey, these
recipes call for cup of something, how much is that exactly?" And
she pulls out her cup that she drinks coffee from to show me, and I
say,"Yeah, but aren't different cups sometimes different sizes?"

And then she said, "Ja zeker!" And she took me to her china cabinet
and showed me all the different cups she has and all the different
sizes there are. And then I said, "Yeah but Francine, doesn't this
like, ever become a problem in knowing exactly how much to use?" and
she shrugged her shoulders and nodded!

So that means the European kitchens are less precise than American
and English. They just take any old cup, any old spoon! So where
is the advantage of being metric? Then Filip says, yeah, but MOST
recipes don't call for volumes, they call for weights, and this is
true. BUT, how do you WEIGH a teaspoon of basil?!? How about a
quarter teaspoon of nutmeg?!? And now he's going to baking school,
and you should see him trying to weigh out his salt on our scale
that I only use for weighing mail. It's so sad!

So then I get out my Joy of Cooking, and all these crazy units sortof
start to make sense, to fit together. There are even conversions
between weight/volume and length like in the metric system. A pint
weighs a pound, and is 3 inches cubed. Half a pint is a cup, half of
that is half a cup, half of that is a quarter cup, half of that is 2
tablespoons, and half of that is one tablespoon, and all these units
in an ENGLISH kitchen can be measured out.

Then I start to realize that for length there is a similar problem in
the metric system, in that you can't divide a meter continuously by 2
without getting fractions. In the english system, the rulers are
divided by quarters and eighths and 16ths, but the metric ruler is
divided into units of ten, so any fraction of that you just have to
guess. It is IMPOSSIBLE to divide a meter by three, because you get
0.333333333 etc meters; using the metric ruler, a third on a metric
meter doesn't exist! So then I start to think, hey, THAT'S why there
are 12 inches in a foot, you can divide all sorts of ways, by 2, by 3,
by 4, by 6, no problem! Cool!

So we have this friend who is a carpenter, and I see him, and I say,
"Hey, Freddie, when you have a board a meter long, how do you divide
it into 3?" And he sortof gives me a funny look, and says why would
he want to do that. And I say, well, How does that work? Because in
the metric system, a third of a meter isn't marked on your ruler so
what do you do? don't you ever have a board of one meter that you
have to divide by three? And he says No. And I'm sortof
crestfallen, and then he adds, we don't buy boards by the meter, the
standard lengths they sell are in 120 centimeters.

!!!!!

SO now there is a NEW unit of measurement, call it
the-standard-length- that-carpenters-buy-their-wood-in, and it is 120
centimeters! The THICKNESS of the wood is even in a number that is
easily divisible, that is, 2.4 centimeters, and they call that a
thumb! How long before the length of 120 centimeters has a name all
to itself, and how long before some lunatic is going to come along,
and say, "Hey, this-here is darn CONFUSING having that-there unit
being 120 centimeters, and this-here unit being 2.4, we need a NEW
measurement system, one where everything is in units of ten!"

So this is getting really interesting, and I head to the library,
and look up measurement, and ALL THROUGH HISTORY, societies have
used units of measurements that are evenly divisible at least 3
ways. Now we have this great metric system, and we can only divide
by 2 and 5 without getting a fraction.

Progress? Whassat?

Ok, and then there is the temperature thing.

I always liked science because it was the one field of study that
would be consistant throughout the world. I always found it a waste
of time to study French or botany, because if, for example, you were
on a desert island, these French words or plant names wouldn't do you
any good. Science on the other hand was (WAS, past tense) a kind of
ultimate truth for me, and this desert island thing used to be a kind
of test as to whether something was valuable.

And it appears I'm not alone, because last time I was in America, I
was voicing my opinion on the metric system, and someone said, "If I
were on a desert island, I'd use a system that was divisible by ten."
And I said, "But would your number system be based on ten?" The ONLY
advantage of the metric system is that it can easily be written
because we write our numbers in base ten. But that doesn't mean that
if you were on a desert island YOUR number system would be in base
ten. In fact, if you were on a desert island, and you needed a ruler,
you wouldn't be ABLE to generate a precise system on base ten, because
you'd have to estimate where to put the markings on the ruler! What
you'd have to do is take your ruler, and divide it in half, and that
in half, and put the markings THERE, and you'd end up with a ruler
divided into 16 or 32 or 64 or something, but not ten!

And for thermometers, it seems that is precisely what Fahrenheit was
up to. Fahrenheit was playing around and playing around and finally
set ice water at 32, and body temperature at 96, so that there were
64 divisions between the two. That way, no matter where you are in
the world, you can re-generate his thermometer. You stick the
thermometer in ice water, and mark it there. Then you stick it
under your tounge, and mark it there. Then you get a string, and
fold it in half 6 times, and you have the 64 divisions between 32
and 96!

It was only after Fahrenheit died that body temperature was changed
to 98.6. And this being because the boiling point of water was later
deemed more reliable than body temperature. So boiling water was set
at 212, and that made 180 "degrees" between it and the freezing point
of water. But whoever made that change was probably completely
ignorant of the problems Fahrenheit had gone through calibrating his
thermometers.

Then the French Revolution came around, and a bunch of intellectuals
were sitting around. And these intellectual types, they aren't
sitting in labs, or making things, DOING measurements, they just
looking at the measurements on paper. So to them, all these fractions
were a pain in the ass, and they decided that everything should be
changed.

So they spent SIX YEARS deciding how long a meter should be, and then
passed all sorts of laws REQUIRING everyone to use the measurements;
people were FINED for not using them!

So then we had a new thermometer, in degrees Celsius. Then hot air
balloons were getting popular and Boyle and Charles were playing
around and trying to figure out how temperature affects volume and
pressure of gases. But there was one hitch, that is, they wanted to
be able to divide by the temperature of the gas. This was a problem
whenever the temperature was zero. So eventually a number was found
that could be added to the measured temperature so that all their
equations would work out nicely, and this new temperature was called
Kelvin.

Then a bunch of intellectuals came around once more, and decide that
these gas laws, instead of being a TOOL, used to DESCRIBE the
properties of gas, that these laws were some kind of ultimate truth.
And then they decided that since the equations won't work at zero
Kelvin, that nothing can possible exist at that temperature!

And now that's what they teach us in physics class! I HATE that! If
the fields of science and history even overlapped a little bit, we
MIGHT be able to move in a direction we refer to as "progress", but
the way it is now is completely ridiculous.

Any praise for the metric system hits a raw nerve with me. The metric
system is a symbol to me of the division of the ruling class and the
people doing all the work. The ruling class (no pun intended) makes
all these rules that are completely impractical, and everyone else has
to sortof make do, find their way around it. The metric system also
symbolizes to me this blind faith we have in science, that science is
some kind of ultimate truth, instead of a tool we use to make life
easier for ourselves. And because of this blind faith we have,
"science" ends up making life harder, less practical for ourselves.






His above statement is an
example of the world that only he lives in.

Yeah right !

Joe

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
kates, I didn't even see "joe's" post, probably because I blocked all the arteries from my heart to my head and my vision is fading faster than my mental ability. It's cut the number of posts I do see and understand by half.

.............




Joe spake and revealed the great void called his "mind":
Yeah we learned how the French were cowards in WW11. We learned your
country was a dumping ground for prisoners, and we learned the metric
system was not worth the effort to learn unless we were dumb enough to
buy a Jap car and willing to work on it ourselfs.


You all do realize that Joe is rabid, suffers from an ongoing case of =
untreated syphilis, and is a heroine addict? His above statement is an =
example of the world that only he lives in.
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Didn't have much to do today, eh, Joe? =20

The French are trying to preserve their culture and language just as we =
here try to ignire the fact that much of the US is Hispanic, speaks =
Spanish, and that historically, the US has been culturally influenced by =
Spain and Mexico. There are a great many here who would decry any =
attempt to become a bi-lingual nation, basing their opposition on the =
WASP ancestry and touting the English development of the colonies as =
their proof. =20

The French are cowardly? And I suppose that is why the Napoleonic Wars =
were won by other than the French? Oh yes, he made mistakes at the end, =
but that wasn't the French soldier leaving in cowardice. Or what about =
the hundreds of French citizens who hid Jews in their homes? I'm sure =
cowardice played a great part in helping them make that decision. And =
you forget, the French played an important role in our own battle fro =
independence. Lafayette, you know. But then, I doubt if that school =
you attended taught anything as salient as real, unabridged history. =
I'd also like to point out that the US, along with OZ, was a dumping =
ground for the "criminal" unwanted of Great Britain. Have you ever =
investigated what some of those crimes were that got those poor =
unfortunates a one way trip to what was then nowhere? Being a debtor =
alone would earn you a ticket. Heck, if we were to deport all the =
debtors in the us, there wouldn't be a country big enough to hold them. =
Great Britain was suffering a depression. There was no food. Farms had =
failed and industry was slack. To quote Dickens, "They reduced the =
surplus population". But then, you probably also thought that Dickens's =
stories came straight out of his head and had no basis in reality. Joe, =
you may be well read, but your comprehension level and ability to sift =
and sort through what is and isn't true is deplorable. And leave off =
the metric stuff. Metric has its' place and always will. Keep this up =
and your punishment may be that your eternity will be spent in a place =
that uses a base 3 metric system.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

OZ moaned: Oh dear, once again te redneck shows how badly he was let =
down by the
American school system....either that or he's a total moron!

It's not the school system. There has to be something there to teach.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

And your poor spelling is indicative of grads from Oz schools?

SV


Ozzy whined


Oh dear, once again te redneck shows how badly he was let down by the
Amerivcan school system....either that or he's a total moron!
you.