"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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It was that most potential charterers and
purchasers of such boats seem to prefer wheel steering, and that the
charter company directly informed me that they would not accept the boat
unless a wheel steering system was installed on it, in which case they
would be happy to have it.

Hmmm.

I'm surprised at the attitude of the charter company. I must say that I am
also surprised that any charter company would consider putting a 22 y/o boat
on their books. Do they offer any guarantees about the level of income that
you can expect?


Regards


Donal
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I must say that I am
also surprised that any charter company would consider putting a 22 y/o boat
on their books.

There are about a zillion small charter outfits that employ older boats, as
long as they're clean and reliable. There's one that operates out of my club.
They are always looking to make charter agreements with folks. There's a mid
80's catalina 34 that I know of that is in the program and it was run badly
aground last season by two couples who decided to do a lot of drinking. When
they asked me if we'd consider the charter deal we said no-way!

RB

Bobsprit wrote:
I must say that I am
also surprised that any charter company would consider putting a 22 y/o boat
on their books.

There are about a zillion small charter outfits that employ older boats, as
long as they're clean and reliable. There's one that operates out of my club.
They are always looking to make charter agreements with folks. There's a mid
80's catalina 34 that I know of that is in the program and it was run badly
aground last season by two couples who decided to do a lot of drinking. When
they asked me if we'd consider the charter deal we said no-way!

RB

The charter company would be happy to have the boat if it were surveyed
and found to be in good, safe, fully operable condition. - My thought
regarding leaving it with the chareter company was that it would relieve
me of some of the problems involved in keeping up with maintenance,
oversight, paying marina fees, etc. (The boat was offered at around
$18,000 and reported as being in good working order with a good 11Hp
Yanmar diesel, but I didn't get into checking out what other upgrades
might be necessary.

In view of the advice against such a steering system convesion and the
accusation that I had already made my mind up in favor of the Cal before
posting the intial questions, I'm now considering another approach. -
That is, continue to charter boats in the 30-40 ft range when I can get
time off to do some serious cruising, but also purchasing one of the new
MacGregor 26M (their new model with deeper V-hull, dagger board, and a
partial lead/partial water ballast), for use in the Galveston bay area
and near shore coastal sailing. - In the Houston-Galveston area, we
have many square miles of bay waters that aren't deep enough for keel
sailboats, and I'm also interested in taking the grandchildren on
outings, swimming, fishing, etc.) - Since this is somewhat out of the
scope of the "Cal 30" question, I'll post another discussion topic.

Jim

Bobsprit wrote:

Wrong again. I don't know what is "involved" for converting steering on
a 1982 Cal 30. - That's why I posted my note.

Jim, some of the people in this NG wll generally just try to give you a hard
time. The poster you are responding to has no info for you. The Cruising Board
already told you what you needed to know. Unless you're getting that Cal for
VERY cheap, don't get involved in the conversion. It won't be cheap and there
are bound to be headaches along the way. Find a boat with a wheel and be happy.
And you'll be happier still by not feeding the trolls (disguised as sailors) in
this NG.

Best of Luck,

Robert B

Thanks,
Jim

I can get
time off to do some serious cruising, but also purchasing one of the new
MacGregor 26M (their new model with deeper V-hull, dagger board, and a
partial lead/partial water ballast),

Jim, you can do a LOT better than the 26M. It's not a very good sailing boat.
I strongly suggest more study/sailing time before you choose a boat.

Robert B.
C&C 32
NY

This is probably right. It's not as bad a boat as the X, but there are
a lot of others out there that are better. However, they do sell a lot
of them, if that's any kind of endorsement.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I can get
time off to do some serious cruising, but also purchasing one of the new
MacGregor 26M (their new model with deeper V-hull, dagger board, and a
partial lead/partial water ballast),

Jim, you can do a LOT better than the 26M. It's not a very good sailing
boat.
I strongly suggest more study/sailing time before you choose a boat.

Robert B.
C&C 32
NY

Bobsprit wrote:
I can get
time off to do some serious cruising, but also purchasing one of the new
MacGregor 26M (their new model with deeper V-hull, dagger board, and a
partial lead/partial water ballast),

Jim, you can do a LOT better than the 26M. It's not a very good sailing boat.
I strongly suggest more study/sailing time before you choose a boat.

Robert B.
C&C 32
NY

I posted a further note, see "MacGregor 26-Valiant 40" below, outlining
what I see as advantages and disadvantages to the idea of (1) Chartering
boats in the 30-35 -foot range from time to time, and (2) Getting one
of the Mac 26M's for afternoon sails with our grandkids, or for fishing,
etc. The initial costs are about the same as used boats in the 30-foot
range, not including maintenance, dock fees, etc., but the available
sailing areas in this area (Kemah-Galveston bay) we are limited unless
you are willing to motor down to the gulf, which takes around five hours.

Jim

30-35 -foot range from time to time, and (2) Getting one
of the Mac 26M's for afternoon sails with our grandkids, or for fishing,
etc. The initial costs are about the same as used boats in the 30-foot
range, not including maintenance, dock fees, etc., but the available
sailing areas in this area (Kemah-Galveston bay) we are limited unless
you are willing to motor down to the gulf, which takes around five hours.

Jim, I see the problem, but understand that the Mac is pretty dull sailor.
There are a few in my area and they don't seem to do anything well, least of
all sail. The Mac also won't go too fast under power with some chop against her
either. I actually knew a couple who got one as a gift. They knew little about
boats, but soon were rid of it for a used Pearson. It's also a horribly ugly
vessel, though I know the whole "beauty/beholder" bit. I guess if I was in your
shoes I'd buy a 30 foot powerboat and strap a couple of Lasers to it, them sail
them with the kids in various waters.
This is just my opinion, of course. I'm sure others will offer good
suggestions.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

30-35 -foot range from time to time, and (2) Getting one
of the Mac 26M's for afternoon sails with our grandkids, or for fishing,
etc. The initial costs are about the same as used boats in the 30-foot
range, not including maintenance, dock fees, etc., but the available
sailing areas in this area (Kemah-Galveston bay) we are limited unless
you are willing to motor down to the gulf, which takes around five hours.

Jim, I see the problem, but understand that the Mac is pretty dull sailor.
There are a few in my area and they don't seem to do anything well, least of
all sail. The Mac also won't go too fast under power with some chop against her
either. I actually knew a couple who got one as a gift. They knew little about
boats, but soon were rid of it for a used Pearson. It's also a horribly ugly
vessel, though I know the whole "beauty/beholder" bit. I guess if I was in your
shoes I'd buy a 30 foot powerboat and strap a couple of Lasers to it, them sail
them with the kids in various waters.
This is just my opinion, of course. I'm sure others will offer good
suggestions.

RB

Thanks for the suggestions. As noted previously, most of my sailing
experience has been on larger boats, in the 30-35 ft range, that we
chartered for family vacations. We would live aboard the boats for a
week, sailing (sometimes in in some pretty high winds), swimming,
cooking meals and sleeping at anchor. I've had training from several
sailing "schools," including an Annapolis Sailing School nav and heavy
boat handling course. So I'm well aware that such boats are "better"
than the MacGregor in a number of ways, particularly for blue water
sailing. The 40 foot Valiant, for example, had three reefing lines
lines for the main led to the cockpit, color coded, such that you could
adjust both the roller furling jib and the main to any desired reefing
point without leaving the cockpit.- It was stable and fast and great for
sailing in blue water with the staysail and jib up, making some 9 knots.
Also, owning one would certainly get me more respect from fellow sailors.

But for our area and the anticipated uses of the boat, I'm not sure that
these heavier boats would be the best choice or provide the greatest
satisfaction and enjoyment (since I can still charter a variety of
larger boats when desired.) In the Kehmah-Seabrook (Houston) area, we
have some huge marinas with thousands of beautiful sailboats. But most
of these boats seem to sit in the marinas for 99.9 percent of the time.
- I have had friends tell me that, after the initial purchase, they
had such difficulty in getting time to go out, and in getting crews to
go with them, that the boat sat there, with ongoing maintenance costs,
bottom treatments, marina fees, insurance, etc., so that they finally
sold the boat. In my particular situation, my former crew (my kids) is
not available, and my wife doesn't seem to be too keen on getting out in
anything but ideal weather. Maybe I could get some of my friends to go,
but probably not on the schedule or frequency I would prefer, and I'm
not sure I want to go out on a large boat by myself, even with roller
furling, etc. As mentioned, we have some grand kids who I think would
not enjoy the relatively extended motoring and cruising time entailed in
getting a heavy boat to good sailing areas and then back to the dock.
(I'll investigate other marina choices, however.)

Regarding the new Mac 26M model, several pretty substantial changes have
been made as compared with the 26X model. They include a new hull
design entailing a deeper, heavier, 15 degree bottom, rounded corners at
the sides, a partial lead ballast rather than a flatter hull, adjustable
dagger board rather than pivotable fin keel, rotatable mast, additional
fiberglass and roving, etc. These are substantive changes, so I don't
think it is reasonable to describe the handling and performance of the M
model based on observations re the older models. However, I don't know
how the new boat sails or handles under power or sail, which is why I
posted my questions.

Meanwhile, I'll be looking at some of the larger used boats for sale in
our area also. Apparently, I can get an older 30-32 Cal, Catalina, C&C,
etc., for about the same price as a fully equipped Mac 26. Conditions
and needed repairs and maintenance are another question, of course.
fully known. I understand that you have a C&C, so I will assume that
you would recommend them and I'll pay particular attention to any that
look like a good buy.

Jim

So I'm well aware that such boats are "better"
than the MacGregor in a number of ways, particularly for blue water
sailing.

This is a vast understatement. The Mac will simply not be much fun to sail
after a short while. It's not a very capable sailor at all. For daysailing I'd
think a boat that's somewhat entertaining to sail would be a priority. I'd
rather have fun on a good performing boat in restricted waters then have better
range in one that sailed poorly.
Just my 2 cents.

RB