Donal, I thought YOU were married, of course it's my fault. Everything is my
fault.

I'm sorry.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"katysails" wrote ...
Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

I could say the same thing about my wife. But I won't.

Is that your wife's fault? ........... or yours?




Regards

Donal
--

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership.

no it doesn't

Very few with out funds own boats.

well, duh!

Money determines the boat size, style and age.

no, wrong again. rich people own small boats, old & new boats


Money determines how much maintenence you perform.

laziness more than money.


Money determines how you equip the boat.

somewhat


Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.

not always


Money determines when and how often you use the boat.


among other things. I sail MORE when work is slow.


Money determines where you keep the boat.

nah


If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.

or the love of boating/fishing/whatever.


If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.

Wrong!


SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
The truth is that I had actually hoped to get some substantive
information from contributors on this ng who had sailed the 26M or
spoken to otherw who had. I finally gave up on this one, and placed my
order for the 26M last week.

Jim

You got the next best thing, good advice, including taking one for a test
sail, which you pointedly ignored. Based on the content of your posts one
could only reasonably conclude that they were either a troll or spam. The
only other conclusions one could come to would be that you are an extremely
inexperienced sailor, an extremely gullible individual, or both.
Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns

Scotty admitted:
of course it's my fault. Everything is my
fault.

And don't you forget it....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.

Means nothing except with mega yacht people. I could purchase a newer larger
boat. Would I have any more fun? I don't think so. There are plenty of
people who could afford a 40 footer but choose to sail J24s. Many people put
their toys in there proper prospective. They put money into growth funds.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Jeff Morris wrote:

So the fact that of a group of dedicated sailors, no one is willing to say
anything nice about the boat was enough to convince you that its a wise
purchase. Yup, that makes sense.


Nope. It was the fact that no one on the ng had sailed the boat and few
even knew what changes had been incorporated in the 26M. Yet everyone
knew exactly what the boat would be like.

Jim




Actually, the other sailboat on my dock is Mac 26M, new last summer. Since the
family has two kids about the same age as my daughter I was hoping that maybe we
could meet up in the harbor sometime. The guy talked about having anchored out
for a weekend, so I thought maybe they'd be using the boat some. After our
first chat I never saw the boat leave the slip. By the end of the summer I had
to go on board to secure the boom and other things that had worked loose from
rolling (we are in an absolute flat hurricane hole).

I got to walk by it everytime I went to my boat, and now it's in the yard next
to mine, so I see it a lot. It looks like the same junk as its predecessor.
Since it never goes out, I haven't had a chance to see it perform, but anything
would be a step up from the previous model, which seemed incapable of making any
headway if there was a small chop.


Obviously, I can't explain why these owners didn't sail their boat.

Jim



I suppose there is some situation where the boat makes sense, though at $30K you
could have had a far nicer powerboat, and sill had plenty of money left over to
charter a proper sailboat.



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


John Cairns wrote:


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased reports posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational advice.

Jim


Nice Troll!

The truth is that I had actually hoped to get some substantive
information from contributors on this ng who had sailed the 26M or
spoken to otherw who had. I finally gave up on this one, and placed my
order for the 26M last week.

Jim

It was blatantly obvious what it would be like.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:

So the fact that of a group of dedicated sailors, no one is willing to
say
anything nice about the boat was enough to convince you that its a wise
purchase. Yup, that makes sense.


Nope. It was the fact that no one on the ng had sailed the boat and few
even knew what changes had been incorporated in the 26M. Yet everyone
knew exactly what the boat would be like.

Jim




Actually, the other sailboat on my dock is Mac 26M, new last summer.
Since the
family has two kids about the same age as my daughter I was hoping that
maybe we
could meet up in the harbor sometime. The guy talked about having
anchored out
for a weekend, so I thought maybe they'd be using the boat some. After
our
first chat I never saw the boat leave the slip. By the end of the
summer I had
to go on board to secure the boom and other things that had worked loose
from
rolling (we are in an absolute flat hurricane hole).

I got to walk by it everytime I went to my boat, and now it's in the
yard next
to mine, so I see it a lot. It looks like the same junk as its
predecessor.
Since it never goes out, I haven't had a chance to see it perform, but
anything
would be a step up from the previous model, which seemed incapable of
making any
headway if there was a small chop.


Obviously, I can't explain why these owners didn't sail their boat.

Jim



I suppose there is some situation where the boat makes sense, though at
$30K you
could have had a far nicer powerboat, and sill had plenty of money left
over to
charter a proper sailboat.



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


John Cairns wrote:


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


In the interest of full disclosure, I recently placed an order for one
of the new 26M boats. Having carefully studied all the helpful advice
and unbiased reports posted on this and other newsgroups, it became
obvious to me that the Mac 26M was definitely the best choice in the
under $75,000 price range for my intended applications. So, I'm one
of
the lucky few who will be able to take delivery of this wonderful new
model in the next few months, since demand far exeeds the supply, and
deliveries are normally several months behind schedule.

Thanks to all for the helpful and educational advice.

Jim


Nice Troll!

The truth is that I had actually hoped to get some substantive
information from contributors on this ng who had sailed the 26M or
spoken to otherw who had. I finally gave up on this one, and placed my
order for the 26M last week.

Jim

katysails wrote:

Jim said: If I get the same biased, unsubstantiated, stupid bleeting
over and over and over again you'd think I'd get the message and shut up....


Katy, as pointed out to you several times, if you really considered my
notes that insignificant, and you really considered my comments that
stupid and repetetive, then you wouldn't continue wasting your time
reading and responding to them. - But you can't let it go, can you?

Its obvious that your actions don't correspond with your words.

Jim

Yup... he's probably a troll.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


katysails wrote:

Jim said: If I get the same biased, unsubstantiated, stupid bleeting
over and over and over again you'd think I'd get the message and shut
up....


Katy, as pointed out to you several times, if you really considered my
notes that insignificant, and you really considered my comments that
stupid and repetetive, then you wouldn't continue wasting your time
reading and responding to them. - But you can't let it go, can you?

Its obvious that your actions don't correspond with your words.

Jim

John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

The truth is that I had actually hoped to get some substantive
information from contributors on this ng who had sailed the 26M or
spoken to otherw who had. I finally gave up on this one, and placed my
order for the 26M last week.

Jim


You got the next best thing, good advice, including taking one for a test
sail, which you pointedly ignored. Based on the content of your posts one
could only reasonably conclude that they were either a troll or spam. The
only other conclusions one could come to would be that you are an extremely
inexperienced sailor, an extremely gullible individual, or both.
Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns


I'll need lots of luck?

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim