If you want out that badly, how much would you take for your boat?
Jim

Capt Mooron wrote:
This question is too EASY..... Don't Buy A Boat!!!

They're nothing but a hole in the water which will suck your funds dry. Sure
they look cool... but that wears off when someone shows up with a newer,
bigger, better model!

Let's face it Jim.... if you're currently concerned about usage... think
how miserable you'll be when you realize you need another income just to pay
the upkeep on the damned thing... which will of course leave you with little
to no time to enjoy sitting in it at the dock let alone sailing it. No
matter what type you buy... no matter what size... it starts depreciating
and rotting away as soon as you own it. Parts are constantly breaking and
there seems to be a fee for everything.

Ever notice how anything with the word "boat" or Marine" costs twice as much
as a comparable and effective non boat product? Don't even mention
insurance.... you pay but they don't. Boats are a constant worry... is it
sinking... will it survive the storm.... did a thru-hull give out?

Take my advise and get the villa.... this sailing stuff is way over done.
It's a miserable tedoius endeavour just to get the damned thing up and
moving... then there's the wind which is always on the nose. The romance of
sail is a plot sponsored by the boat manufacturers and charters. They show
you a photo of a tiny capsule of a very rare event and allude to it as being
normal. It's not.. it's inconvienient, wet, miserable and taxing. You never
make money with a boat... it's always a loss.

If I wasn't into it so deep now I could escape the madness of ownership.
Take my advise... run while you can. Leave us poor down trodden sods to our
pitiful existence. Leave us our dreams of moonlit nights and pleasent
sails.... to alleviate the constant burden of ownership. We have no
recourse... you still do!

SAVE YOURSELF MAN!!!! RUN!

Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
[ ..you wonder why I drink so much!!??]


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

If you're trying to decide between buying a boat or feeding your

children,

you should give the kids up and buy a boat. They'll be better off.

Sv


The kids are educated, married, and gone. The current choice is between
getting and maintaining and paying marina fees for a boat and things
like taking more trips to Europe, buying a small place on the Riviera,
getting a new HDTV home theater, buying a second home in the country,
opera performances in Milan and Vienna, etc., etc.

Jim





"Jim Cate" wrote


won't get what I expect to get from the boat) that could otherwise go

to

a number of other worthwhile purposes. - Like, as one example, helping
children who would otherwise starve to death

JimCate" wrote in message
...
If you want out that badly, how much would you take for your boat?
Jim

Capt Mooron wrote:
This question is too EASY..... Don't Buy A Boat!!!

They're nothing but a hole in the water which will suck your funds dry.
Sure
they look cool... but that wears off when someone shows up with a newer,
bigger, better model!

Capt. Mooron
S.V. Overproof
[ ..you wonder why I drink so much!!??]

I think Mooron is messing with you, being a newbie and all.

http://community.webshots.com/user/overproof

John Cairns

If you want out that badly, how much would you take for your boat?
Jim

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

I couldn't agree with you more, Dave.
Sorry I didn't reply till now, but I spent all day Sunday (5am ~ 8pm)
coaching some handicapped kids at a Special Olympics basket ball tournament.

Humbly,
Scotty

"Dave" wrote
That were a good one, Scotty. One of the few things more insufferable than
a
do-gooder is a do-gooder who insists on advertising his good intentions.

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates, guesses?

Jim

Still babbling on, eh?


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates,
guesses?

Jim

New guy admited: The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Man, it sure takes you a long time to get the point....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW, your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns

*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates, guesses?

Jim

Nah, he already bought it and is looking for validation of his stupid
move.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot
used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be
for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days
in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first
year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the
individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty
self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason
for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their
slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates,
guesses?

Jim