Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case, but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

Jim

katysails wrote:

New guy admited: The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Man, it sure takes you a long time to get the point....

From the responses to my note, its also obvious that it's a rather
sensitive issue that gets under the skin of several on the ng. -
Otherwise they would simply ignore my comments and move on to another
topic.

Jim

John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW, your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote
"Yawn" is the response I get a lot.

I'm sure


Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.


Well, there's the problem, you spoke to 'boat owners' and not 'sailors'.



Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. -


Not if they own a Mac26X.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

it's called a 'post' ,dip****.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Jim Cate" wrote
From the responses to my note,

I recently filled out a web survey for 'National Boater Panel ', with the
promise of a $20 coupon for WM. They asked about boat usage per season and
such. Will post the results when I get them.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:37 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote
"Yawn" is the response I get a lot.

I'm sure


Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.


Well, there's the problem, you spoke to 'boat owners' and not 'sailors'.



Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. -


Not if they own a Mac26X.

You have obviously made the mistake of comparing the Mac26X with the
"New and Improved" Mac26M. Apparently Macgregor has completely
designed the 26X, generally regarded as one of the most laughable
piece of crap boats on the market to a yacht that some buyers are
considering as an alternative to the Valiant If you are wondering
how to tell the difference between the "old" and the "new" 26, the new
ones are apparently blue or red and the old ones are generally white.
I am not certain when the option of a carbon fiber spar will be made
available for the Mac...that is what I am waiting for

By the way, I was forced to use one of those firberglass portapotties
at the park the other day and I was a bit surprised to see that they
are made by Macgregor. It was apparently the 7V, or 7' Vertical
model. It seemed to be better built than their line of
boats...probably faster under sail as well

I said 30-40 days maximum, but I know I probably didn't hit 30 last year. I
believe I spent more days and more time sailing on other peoples boats last
year, between racing, this recent sail, and an Atlantic crossing I will
definitely be doing the same this year. Maybe 2005 before I will spend 30+
days sailing my boat.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I recently filled out a web survey for 'National Boater Panel ', with the
promise of a $20 coupon for WM. They asked about boat usage per season
and
such. Will post the results when I get them.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately
6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you
probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you
thought
you would.
John Cairns

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately
6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you
probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you
thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

I said 30-40 days maximum, but I know I probably didn't hit 30 last year. I
believe I spent more days and more time sailing on other peoples boats last
year, between racing, this recent sail, and an Atlantic crossing in November
I will definitely be doing the same this year. Maybe 2005 before I will
spend 30+ days sailing my boat. Again, you either didn't read my earlier
posts or are selectively remembering what I posted. Unless you are retired
or a full time-cruiser you won't spend as much time sailing as you think you
will. Even full-time cruisers don't spend as much time sailing as they do in
port or at an anchorage. Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much you
love to sail.
John Cairns

So are you claiming he's a dip**** or his post is dip****?

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
it's called a 'post' ,dip****.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Jim Cate" wrote
From the responses to my note,