Whoa .... off the wall.
Jax, I apologize. I was under the impression you were an inept,
inexperienced amateur with little or no knowledge.
From this response to my post, I can see you have some more serious
mental problems which you need to get a handle on, so I'm going to do
you a favor ..... PLONK.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
there you go, Folks. One of the Numb-Nutted gNomes of kNighted Nowhere chasing
his tail to state that while the RDF **equipment** is aligned with the
shipboard magnetic compass, it really, really, really is more accurate.

what a dumbsquat.

notice how N-NN of NN didn't understand how bearings are taken but tells us how
bearings are taken.

yuk. patooie.

You have shown what you know about RDF and it aint much, and it aint
accurate. Modern directional antennas are much more accurate than 2 degrees,
without electral enhancement , other wise they would not be certified for
their use in aircraft.Comparing sound waves in the fog with RDF is
ludicrous. calling them radio-compasses shows dated and obsolete information
and understanding. Bearing accuracy of +\- 1 degree is supported here
http://www.servo.com/2100.htm, check it out.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere went all aground falling over
themselves making wild claims about accuracy of something they knew
nothing
about. Silly negative gnomes, they confused equipment with technique,
even as
they talk about threading their way through granite ledges along a fog
bound
Maine coast.

So, let's look at RDF, its accuracy and how it is used.

Consider that one is on a boat in a fog with granite ledges nearby just
below
the water surface.

One hears a fog horn or clanging bell somewhere off to the right. The
chart
shows the source of the sound. You ask the helmsperson to hold the
present
course as best he can. You face the sound as best you can, listen closely
to
get the direction and point a magnetic handheld compass at it. Now the
boat is
pitching up and down in the waves and rolling side to side. Each pitch
up, the
compass turns one way, each pitch down the compass turns the other. Same
with
each roll side to side, one way the compass turns one way, the other the
other.


Now depending on how well a steady course was held and how well you
listened/heard the sound and how well you interpreted the compass
movement, you
have a siting *to* the sound. This you write down. It may or may not be
accurate to plus or minus 5 degrees or 10 degrees or even 20 degrees. but
you
have the reading.

Then you do the same for a sound off to the left (hopefully 90 degrees
from the
first as this gives less uncertainly of position in the end), getting a
reading
to the other sound, also of the same accuracy.

Now, you mark off on the chart the recipical of the first reading from the
first sound, makng note of the potential variance of the reading, then
mark off
the recipical of the second reading again noting the potential variance of
that
reading, plus you make allowance for the fact the boat *may* have moved
(between the wind, the current and the engine the boat may have gone
anywhere,
including backwards if the current overpowered the engine) between the
first
and second readings.

You are left with an "Area of Probable Position" that might go up to 20
degrees
either side of the first siting on one side, up to 20 degrees either side
of
the second reading, plus maybe a couple hundred yards forward or backward
or
left or right.

THAT -- with minor differences -- is RDF, and one hell of a long ways from
"2
degrees" accuracy as claimed by one of the silly negative gnomes of the
Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere.

Not exactly good for threading one's way through granite ledges, but if
one is
far enough away from known granite ledges not all that bad as compared to
just
bobbing around in the water.

Now, before any of the silly gnomes starts screaming "THE DIFFERENCES ARE
IMPORTANT!!!!" let's look at the differences between Auditory Direction
Finding
and using a Radio Compass.

First off, your ears can tell the difference between a sound in front of
you
and a sound behind you. A radio compass can't.

Second, because you have two ears set apart your ears are excellent at
determining the direction of the sound by listening for its loudest. A
radio
compass is poor at this, but better at NOT hearing the sound when the
antenna
is at right angles to the source. Therefore, with a radio compass you
have to
listen for the weakest sound, not the strongest. radio compasses will
usually
have an analog meter installed to help the operator find the weakest sound
from
the signal.

In addition, the source points for sound are typically quite close, often
only
a few hundred yards away. The source points for a radio compass are
usually
some miles away and can in fact be thousands of miles away (miles is more
usual).

sound signals are easily heard. radio signals are usually weak enough so
that
on even the best of radios the operator has to use headphones to hear them
at
all.

a handheld magnetic compass can sense direction without regard to the
direction
of the boat. a radio compass is first set in place, then the helsman is
told
to hold a steady course on his magnetic compass (which he may or may not
do
well, particulary if the boat is pitching and/or rolling, but in any event
not
likely to be closer than plus or minus 5 degrees), the radio compass
operator
then lines up the dial on the radio compass with the magnetic direction he
believes the boat is going.

The radio compass operator then tunes in a station frequency (he has a
table of
station frequencies for the area) until he has a strong signal in his
headphones. He listens to the morse code identifier of the station that he
is
looking for, gets it, then turns the top dial on the radio compass until
the
signal is weakest (he may use the analog meter to help him indentify the
point
at which the signal is weakest). This top dial is about the size of a
dinner
plate and is marked off in degree (THIS is the reason the silly negative
gnomes
of the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere *claimed* accuracy of two
degrees.
The dial can be read down to two degrees). the radio compass operator
writes
down this reading.

The radio compass operator tunes in a station (hopefully about 90 degrees)
to
the other side of the first station, asks the helmsman if he has stayed
the
course (helmsman says Yes) and proceeds after some time to get a second
reading.

Radio compass operator now draws the lines on the chart from the two
reported
radio stations, expanding the "Area of Probable Position" to allow for the
likelihood that the helmsman was not entirely accurate holding the course
as
the radio compass was aligned with the boat's magnetic compass, nor was
the
helmsman likely to be completely accurate in holding the course was the
station
readings were made. The radio compass operator also takes into account
that
the boat was moving between the first and second readings. Radio compass
operator also takes into account the whole thing was based on the
helmsman's
read of *his* magnetic compass AND holding an accurate course long enough
to
align the radio compass.

That's it, folks. THAT is RDF, using a "radio compass" as the equipment
was
originally called.

-----

Now, who the hell would try to thread the granite ledges in a fog with
that
kind of information?

Well, the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere claim they did it all the
time
and they survived so it has to be accurate "to within 2 degrees". Of
course,
one of those silly negative gnomes also said he used a paper sextant in
the fog
to tell him where he was going.

Yeah. Paper sextant and radio compass in the fog in the granite ledges.

Now, let's sit back and wait for the silly negative gnomes of NN of KN
jump all
over like Mexican beans on a hot skillet trying to say that "Ships didn't
have
mobile radio compasses, so they weren't aligned each time they were
used...",
and so forth. The idgits confused equipment with technique simply because
they
didn't understand the technique. Lucky *******s they were if they really
did
blunder through the granite ledges in a fog. Many other people weren't
lucky.

still, over the nee, *you* have failed to offer an explanation as to how RDF
works, AND how RDF aligned with a mag compass can be more accurate than it is.
duh.

Whoa .... off the wall.
Jax, I apologize. I was under the impression you were an inept,
inexperienced amateur with little or no knowledge.
From this response to my post, I can see you have some more serious
mental problems which you need to get a handle on, so I'm going to do
you a favor ..... PLONK.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
there you go, Folks. One of the Numb-Nutted gNomes of kNighted Nowhere
chasing
his tail to state that while the RDF **equipment** is aligned with the
shipboard magnetic compass, it really, really, really is more accurate.

what a dumbsquat.

notice how N-NN of NN didn't understand how bearings are taken but tells us
how
bearings are taken.

yuk. patooie.

what a dumb squat you are. go back to study hall.

You have shown what you know about RDF and it aint much, and it aint
accurate. Modern directional antennas are much more accurate than 2 degrees,
without electral enhancement , other wise they would not be certified for
their use in aircraft.Comparing sound waves in the fog with RDF is
ludicrous. calling them radio-compasses shows dated and obsolete information
and understanding. Bearing accuracy of +\- 1 degree is supported here
http://www.servo.com/2100.htm, check it out.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere went all aground falling over
themselves making wild claims about accuracy of something they knew
nothing
about. Silly negative gnomes, they confused equipment with technique,
even as
they talk about threading their way through granite ledges along a fog
bound
Maine coast.

So, let's look at RDF, its accuracy and how it is used.

Consider that one is on a boat in a fog with granite ledges nearby just
below
the water surface.

One hears a fog horn or clanging bell somewhere off to the right. The
chart
shows the source of the sound. You ask the helmsperson to hold the
present
course as best he can. You face the sound as best you can, listen closely
to
get the direction and point a magnetic handheld compass at it. Now the
boat is
pitching up and down in the waves and rolling side to side. Each pitch
up, the
compass turns one way, each pitch down the compass turns the other. Same
with
each roll side to side, one way the compass turns one way, the other the
other.


Now depending on how well a steady course was held and how well you
listened/heard the sound and how well you interpreted the compass
movement, you
have a siting *to* the sound. This you write down. It may or may not be
accurate to plus or minus 5 degrees or 10 degrees or even 20 degrees. but
you
have the reading.

Then you do the same for a sound off to the left (hopefully 90 degrees
from the
first as this gives less uncertainly of position in the end), getting a
reading
to the other sound, also of the same accuracy.

Now, you mark off on the chart the recipical of the first reading from the
first sound, makng note of the potential variance of the reading, then
mark off
the recipical of the second reading again noting the potential variance of
that
reading, plus you make allowance for the fact the boat *may* have moved
(between the wind, the current and the engine the boat may have gone
anywhere,
including backwards if the current overpowered the engine) between the
first
and second readings.

You are left with an "Area of Probable Position" that might go up to 20
degrees
either side of the first siting on one side, up to 20 degrees either side
of
the second reading, plus maybe a couple hundred yards forward or backward
or
left or right.

THAT -- with minor differences -- is RDF, and one hell of a long ways from
"2
degrees" accuracy as claimed by one of the silly negative gnomes of the
Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere.

Not exactly good for threading one's way through granite ledges, but if
one is
far enough away from known granite ledges not all that bad as compared to
just
bobbing around in the water.

Now, before any of the silly gnomes starts screaming "THE DIFFERENCES ARE
IMPORTANT!!!!" let's look at the differences between Auditory Direction
Finding
and using a Radio Compass.

First off, your ears can tell the difference between a sound in front of
you
and a sound behind you. A radio compass can't.

Second, because you have two ears set apart your ears are excellent at
determining the direction of the sound by listening for its loudest. A
radio
compass is poor at this, but better at NOT hearing the sound when the
antenna
is at right angles to the source. Therefore, with a radio compass you
have to
listen for the weakest sound, not the strongest. radio compasses will
usually
have an analog meter installed to help the operator find the weakest sound
from
the signal.

In addition, the source points for sound are typically quite close, often
only
a few hundred yards away. The source points for a radio compass are
usually
some miles away and can in fact be thousands of miles away (miles is more
usual).

sound signals are easily heard. radio signals are usually weak enough so
that
on even the best of radios the operator has to use headphones to hear them
at
all.

a handheld magnetic compass can sense direction without regard to the
direction
of the boat. a radio compass is first set in place, then the helsman is
told
to hold a steady course on his magnetic compass (which he may or may not
do
well, particulary if the boat is pitching and/or rolling, but in any event
not
likely to be closer than plus or minus 5 degrees), the radio compass
operator
then lines up the dial on the radio compass with the magnetic direction he
believes the boat is going.

The radio compass operator then tunes in a station frequency (he has a
table of
station frequencies for the area) until he has a strong signal in his
headphones. He listens to the morse code identifier of the station that he
is
looking for, gets it, then turns the top dial on the radio compass until
the
signal is weakest (he may use the analog meter to help him indentify the
point
at which the signal is weakest). This top dial is about the size of a
dinner
plate and is marked off in degree (THIS is the reason the silly negative
gnomes
of the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere *claimed* accuracy of two
degrees.
The dial can be read down to two degrees). the radio compass operator
writes
down this reading.

The radio compass operator tunes in a station (hopefully about 90 degrees)
to
the other side of the first station, asks the helmsman if he has stayed
the
course (helmsman says Yes) and proceeds after some time to get a second
reading.

Radio compass operator now draws the lines on the chart from the two
reported
radio stations, expanding the "Area of Probable Position" to allow for the
likelihood that the helmsman was not entirely accurate holding the course
as
the radio compass was aligned with the boat's magnetic compass, nor was
the
helmsman likely to be completely accurate in holding the course was the
station
readings were made. The radio compass operator also takes into account
that
the boat was moving between the first and second readings. Radio compass
operator also takes into account the whole thing was based on the
helmsman's
read of *his* magnetic compass AND holding an accurate course long enough
to
align the radio compass.

That's it, folks. THAT is RDF, using a "radio compass" as the equipment
was
originally called.

-----

Now, who the hell would try to thread the granite ledges in a fog with
that
kind of information?

Well, the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere claim they did it all the
time
and they survived so it has to be accurate "to within 2 degrees". Of
course,
one of those silly negative gnomes also said he used a paper sextant in
the fog
to tell him where he was going.

Yeah. Paper sextant and radio compass in the fog in the granite ledges.

Now, let's sit back and wait for the silly negative gnomes of NN of KN
jump all
over like Mexican beans on a hot skillet trying to say that "Ships didn't
have
mobile radio compasses, so they weren't aligned each time they were
used...",
and so forth. The idgits confused equipment with technique simply because
they
didn't understand the technique. Lucky *******s they were if they really
did
blunder through the granite ledges in a fog. Many other people weren't
lucky.

Look sonny, I got out of study hall a few years ago. While I was there I
learned a bit about those who know little and try to confuse us with B.S.
You my friend meet all the criteria, as young as you may be. If you had
years and wisdom, you would offer substance rather than wisecracks, but are
unable to carry coherent argument with out resorting to said cracks. You are
a minor pest and should be gone.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
what a dumb squat you are. go back to study hall.

You have shown what you know about RDF and it aint much, and it aint
accurate. Modern directional antennas are much more accurate than 2
degrees,
without electral enhancement , other wise they would not be certified for
their use in aircraft.Comparing sound waves in the fog with RDF is
ludicrous. calling them radio-compasses shows dated and obsolete
information
and understanding. Bearing accuracy of +\- 1 degree is supported here
http://www.servo.com/2100.htm, check it out.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere went all aground falling over
themselves making wild claims about accuracy of something they knew
nothing
about. Silly negative gnomes, they confused equipment with technique,
even as
they talk about threading their way through granite ledges along a fog
bound
Maine coast.

So, let's look at RDF, its accuracy and how it is used.

Consider that one is on a boat in a fog with granite ledges nearby just
below
the water surface.

One hears a fog horn or clanging bell somewhere off to the right. The
chart
shows the source of the sound. You ask the helmsperson to hold the
present
course as best he can. You face the sound as best you can, listen
closely
to
get the direction and point a magnetic handheld compass at it. Now the
boat is
pitching up and down in the waves and rolling side to side. Each pitch
up, the
compass turns one way, each pitch down the compass turns the other.
Same
with
each roll side to side, one way the compass turns one way, the other
the
other.


Now depending on how well a steady course was held and how well you
listened/heard the sound and how well you interpreted the compass
movement, you
have a siting *to* the sound. This you write down. It may or may not
be
accurate to plus or minus 5 degrees or 10 degrees or even 20 degrees.
but
you
have the reading.

Then you do the same for a sound off to the left (hopefully 90 degrees
from the
first as this gives less uncertainly of position in the end), getting a
reading
to the other sound, also of the same accuracy.

Now, you mark off on the chart the recipical of the first reading from
the
first sound, makng note of the potential variance of the reading, then
mark off
the recipical of the second reading again noting the potential variance
of
that
reading, plus you make allowance for the fact the boat *may* have moved
(between the wind, the current and the engine the boat may have gone
anywhere,
including backwards if the current overpowered the engine) between the
first
and second readings.

You are left with an "Area of Probable Position" that might go up to 20
degrees
either side of the first siting on one side, up to 20 degrees either
side
of
the second reading, plus maybe a couple hundred yards forward or
backward
or
left or right.

THAT -- with minor differences -- is RDF, and one hell of a long ways
from
"2
degrees" accuracy as claimed by one of the silly negative gnomes of the
Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere.

Not exactly good for threading one's way through granite ledges, but if
one is
far enough away from known granite ledges not all that bad as compared
to
just
bobbing around in the water.

Now, before any of the silly gnomes starts screaming "THE DIFFERENCES
ARE
IMPORTANT!!!!" let's look at the differences between Auditory Direction
Finding
and using a Radio Compass.

First off, your ears can tell the difference between a sound in front
of
you
and a sound behind you. A radio compass can't.

Second, because you have two ears set apart your ears are excellent at
determining the direction of the sound by listening for its loudest. A
radio
compass is poor at this, but better at NOT hearing the sound when the
antenna
is at right angles to the source. Therefore, with a radio compass you
have to
listen for the weakest sound, not the strongest. radio compasses will
usually
have an analog meter installed to help the operator find the weakest
sound
from
the signal.

In addition, the source points for sound are typically quite close,
often
only
a few hundred yards away. The source points for a radio compass are
usually
some miles away and can in fact be thousands of miles away (miles is
more
usual).

sound signals are easily heard. radio signals are usually weak enough
so
that
on even the best of radios the operator has to use headphones to hear
them
at
all.

a handheld magnetic compass can sense direction without regard to the
direction
of the boat. a radio compass is first set in place, then the helsman
is
told
to hold a steady course on his magnetic compass (which he may or may
not
do
well, particulary if the boat is pitching and/or rolling, but in any
event
not
likely to be closer than plus or minus 5 degrees), the radio compass
operator
then lines up the dial on the radio compass with the magnetic direction
he
believes the boat is going.

The radio compass operator then tunes in a station frequency (he has a
table of
station frequencies for the area) until he has a strong signal in his
headphones. He listens to the morse code identifier of the station that
he
is
looking for, gets it, then turns the top dial on the radio compass
until
the
signal is weakest (he may use the analog meter to help him indentify
the
point
at which the signal is weakest). This top dial is about the size of a
dinner
plate and is marked off in degree (THIS is the reason the silly
negative
gnomes
of the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere *claimed* accuracy of two
degrees.
The dial can be read down to two degrees). the radio compass operator
writes
down this reading.

The radio compass operator tunes in a station (hopefully about 90
degrees)
to
the other side of the first station, asks the helmsman if he has stayed
the
course (helmsman says Yes) and proceeds after some time to get a second
reading.

Radio compass operator now draws the lines on the chart from the two
reported
radio stations, expanding the "Area of Probable Position" to allow for
the
likelihood that the helmsman was not entirely accurate holding the
course
as
the radio compass was aligned with the boat's magnetic compass, nor was
the
helmsman likely to be completely accurate in holding the course was the
station
readings were made. The radio compass operator also takes into account
that
the boat was moving between the first and second readings. Radio
compass
operator also takes into account the whole thing was based on the
helmsman's
read of *his* magnetic compass AND holding an accurate course long
enough
to
align the radio compass.

That's it, folks. THAT is RDF, using a "radio compass" as the
equipment
was
originally called.

-----

Now, who the hell would try to thread the granite ledges in a fog with
that
kind of information?

Well, the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere claim they did it all
the
time
and they survived so it has to be accurate "to within 2 degrees". Of
course,
one of those silly negative gnomes also said he used a paper sextant in
the fog
to tell him where he was going.

Yeah. Paper sextant and radio compass in the fog in the granite
ledges.

Now, let's sit back and wait for the silly negative gnomes of NN of KN
jump all
over like Mexican beans on a hot skillet trying to say that "Ships
didn't
have
mobile radio compasses, so they weren't aligned each time they were
used...",
and so forth. The idgits confused equipment with technique simply
because
they
didn't understand the technique. Lucky *******s they were if they
really
did
blunder through the granite ledges in a fog. Many other people weren't
lucky.

The Carrolls wrote:
Look sonny, I got out of study hall a few years ago. While I was there I
learned a bit about those who know little and try to confuse us with B.S.
You my friend meet all the criteria, as young as you may be. If you had
years and wisdom, you would offer substance rather than wisecracks, but are
unable to carry coherent argument with out resorting to said cracks. You are
a minor pest and should be gone.

The truth is that Jax is not a young fool, he is an adult idiot. He has
years that have brought him not wisdom but only the disturbances you
reflected in his incoherent rants and bizarre essays.

Jax's latest revival will probably be a short lived, if extravagant,
display of the course of a mental illness that drugs no longer control.

We might hasten his demise if, rather than respond to his posts, we only
post - about - him. Without a "straight man" (no pun intended) Jax is
less than a minor pest and will soon implode.

Rick

carrol tells us that he is sooooooooooo confused.

sorry about that, dude. you should have paid attention when you actually did
go to school back in the woodrow wilson days. The English language would
probably not be sooooooooooooo confusing to you.

dude, the RDF explanation was accurate. too bad you couldn't understand it.

Look sonny, I got out of study hall a few years ago. While I was there I
learned a bit about those who know little and try to confuse us with B.S.
You my friend meet all the criteria, as young as you may be. If you had
years and wisdom, you would offer substance rather than wisecracks, but are
unable to carry coherent argument with out resorting to said cracks. You are
a minor pest and should be gone.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
what a dumb squat you are. go back to study hall.

You have shown what you know about RDF and it aint much, and it aint
accurate. Modern directional antennas are much more accurate than 2
degrees,
without electral enhancement , other wise they would not be certified for
their use in aircraft.Comparing sound waves in the fog with RDF is
ludicrous. calling them radio-compasses shows dated and obsolete
information
and understanding. Bearing accuracy of +\- 1 degree is supported here
http://www.servo.com/2100.htm, check it out.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere went all aground falling over
themselves making wild claims about accuracy of something they knew
nothing
about. Silly negative gnomes, they confused equipment with technique,
even as
they talk about threading their way through granite ledges along a fog
bound
Maine coast.

So, let's look at RDF, its accuracy and how it is used.

Consider that one is on a boat in a fog with granite ledges nearby just
below
the water surface.

One hears a fog horn or clanging bell somewhere off to the right. The
chart
shows the source of the sound. You ask the helmsperson to hold the
present
course as best he can. You face the sound as best you can, listen
closely
to
get the direction and point a magnetic handheld compass at it. Now the
boat is
pitching up and down in the waves and rolling side to side. Each pitch
up, the
compass turns one way, each pitch down the compass turns the other.
Same
with
each roll side to side, one way the compass turns one way, the other
the
other.


Now depending on how well a steady course was held and how well you
listened/heard the sound and how well you interpreted the compass
movement, you
have a siting *to* the sound. This you write down. It may or may not
be
accurate to plus or minus 5 degrees or 10 degrees or even 20 degrees.
but
you
have the reading.

Then you do the same for a sound off to the left (hopefully 90 degrees
from the
first as this gives less uncertainly of position in the end), getting a
reading
to the other sound, also of the same accuracy.

Now, you mark off on the chart the recipical of the first reading from
the
first sound, makng note of the potential variance of the reading, then
mark off
the recipical of the second reading again noting the potential variance
of
that
reading, plus you make allowance for the fact the boat *may* have moved
(between the wind, the current and the engine the boat may have gone
anywhere,
including backwards if the current overpowered the engine) between the
first
and second readings.

You are left with an "Area of Probable Position" that might go up to 20
degrees
either side of the first siting on one side, up to 20 degrees either
side
of
the second reading, plus maybe a couple hundred yards forward or
backward
or
left or right.

THAT -- with minor differences -- is RDF, and one hell of a long ways
from
"2
degrees" accuracy as claimed by one of the silly negative gnomes of the
Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere.

Not exactly good for threading one's way through granite ledges, but if
one is
far enough away from known granite ledges not all that bad as compared
to
just
bobbing around in the water.

Now, before any of the silly gnomes starts screaming "THE DIFFERENCES
ARE
IMPORTANT!!!!" let's look at the differences between Auditory Direction
Finding
and using a Radio Compass.

First off, your ears can tell the difference between a sound in front
of
you
and a sound behind you. A radio compass can't.

Second, because you have two ears set apart your ears are excellent at
determining the direction of the sound by listening for its loudest. A
radio
compass is poor at this, but better at NOT hearing the sound when the
antenna
is at right angles to the source. Therefore, with a radio compass you
have to
listen for the weakest sound, not the strongest. radio compasses will
usually
have an analog meter installed to help the operator find the weakest
sound
from
the signal.

In addition, the source points for sound are typically quite close,
often
only
a few hundred yards away. The source points for a radio compass are
usually
some miles away and can in fact be thousands of miles away (miles is
more
usual).

sound signals are easily heard. radio signals are usually weak enough
so
that
on even the best of radios the operator has to use headphones to hear
them
at
all.

a handheld magnetic compass can sense direction without regard to the
direction
of the boat. a radio compass is first set in place, then the helsman
is
told
to hold a steady course on his magnetic compass (which he may or may
not
do
well, particulary if the boat is pitching and/or rolling, but in any
event
not
likely to be closer than plus or minus 5 degrees), the radio compass
operator
then lines up the dial on the radio compass with the magnetic direction
he
believes the boat is going.

The radio compass operator then tunes in a station frequency (he has a
table of
station frequencies for the area) until he has a strong signal in his
headphones. He listens to the morse code identifier of the station that
he
is
looking for, gets it, then turns the top dial on the radio compass
until
the
signal is weakest (he may use the analog meter to help him indentify
the
point
at which the signal is weakest). This top dial is about the size of a
dinner
plate and is marked off in degree (THIS is the reason the silly
negative
gnomes
of the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere *claimed* accuracy of two
degrees.
The dial can be read down to two degrees). the radio compass operator
writes
down this reading.

The radio compass operator tunes in a station (hopefully about 90
degrees)
to
the other side of the first station, asks the helmsman if he has stayed
the
course (helmsman says Yes) and proceeds after some time to get a second
reading.

Radio compass operator now draws the lines on the chart from the two
reported
radio stations, expanding the "Area of Probable Position" to allow for
the
likelihood that the helmsman was not entirely accurate holding the
course
as
the radio compass was aligned with the boat's magnetic compass, nor was
the
helmsman likely to be completely accurate in holding the course was the
station
readings were made. The radio compass operator also takes into account
that
the boat was moving between the first and second readings. Radio
compass
operator also takes into account the whole thing was based on the
helmsman's
read of *his* magnetic compass AND holding an accurate course long
enough
to
align the radio compass.

That's it, folks. THAT is RDF, using a "radio compass" as the
equipment
was
originally called.

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Now, who the hell would try to thread the granite ledges in a fog with
that
kind of information?

Well, the Nattering Nabobs of Knighted Nowhere claim they did it all
the
time
and they survived so it has to be accurate "to within 2 degrees". Of
course,
one of those silly negative gnomes also said he used a paper sextant in
the fog
to tell him where he was going.

Yeah. Paper sextant and radio compass in the fog in the granite
ledges.

Now, let's sit back and wait for the silly negative gnomes of NN of KN
jump all
over like Mexican beans on a hot skillet trying to say that "Ships
didn't
have
mobile radio compasses, so they weren't aligned each time they were
used...",
and so forth. The idgits confused equipment with technique simply
because
they
didn't understand the technique. Lucky *******s they were if they
really
did
blunder through the granite ledges in a fog. Many other people weren't
lucky.

see, even ricky tuggs -- who in the past has claimed to be an ag pilot, an
airline pilot, a construction crew foreman, a ten year liveaboard in Mexico,
ALL before he was 35 -- who these days claims to a working master seaman as in
a decision maker on ocean going vessels is not able to explain radio compasses,
curious if obsolete technology, nor knows how to get 2* accuracy output from
plus or minus 20* input.

The Carrolls wrote:
Look sonny, I got out of study hall a few years ago. While I was there I
learned a bit about those who know little and try to confuse us with B.S.
You my friend meet all the criteria, as young as you may be. If you had
years and wisdom, you would offer substance rather than wisecracks, but are
unable to carry coherent argument with out resorting to said cracks. You
are
a minor pest and should be gone.

The truth is that Jax is not a young fool, he is an adult idiot. He has
years that have brought him not wisdom but only the disturbances you
reflected in his incoherent rants and bizarre essays.

Jax's latest revival will probably be a short lived, if extravagant,
display of the course of a mental illness that drugs no longer control.

We might hasten his demise if, rather than respond to his posts, we only
post - about - him. Without a "straight man" (no pun intended) Jax is
less than a minor pest and will soon implode.

Rick

I have, but it was beyond your abilities to comprehend

JAXAshby wrote:
still, over the nee, *you* have failed to offer an explanation as to how RDF
works, AND how RDF aligned with a mag compass can be more accurate than it is.
duh.

yeah, you sure did alright.

you started out saying a bearing was not a bearing but was a bearing, and went
downhill from there.

now, about your claim that *you* can get accuracy to 2* from input accurate to
only 20*, you wanna try that one again?

go ahead. knock yourself out.

I have, but it was beyond your abilities to comprehend

JAXAshby wrote:
still, over the nee, *you* have failed to offer an explanation as to how
RDF
works, AND how RDF aligned with a mag compass can be more accurate than it
is.
duh.