no d00d, you just don't qualify as a dude.

you are WRONG d00d. get used to it.


I see you speed type as poorly as you speed read.

Cheers
Marty

i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess?

On 04 Apr 2004 00:00:17 GMT, JAXAshby wrote:
google "bear" "attacks" "Canada" and see what Canadians think of those
nice
cuddly things.

and your handgun will do what? from your boat where?

FGS i live here, this is pretty much the sort of thing that tells me
you
have no clue what you are tlaking about

I would rather meet a bear than a sickphuk with a handgun looking
desperately for a reason to use it. the bear is more preditable.




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none wrote:
i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess?


Not really. Jax is no doubt somewhat of a freak, he has however
been out of the closet for some time; ask him nicely and he may
post you a picture of himself in speedos.

Cheers
Marty

nope. you just showed yourself to be a canuck bigot.

i have pulled the freeaks out the closet i guess?

On 04 Apr 2004 00:00:17 GMT, JAXAshby wrote:
google "bear" "attacks" "Canada" and see what Canadians think of those
nice
cuddly things.

and your handgun will do what? from your boat where?

FGS i live here, this is pretty much the sort of thing that tells me
you
have no clue what you are tlaking about

I would rather meet a bear than a sickphuk with a handgun looking
desperately for a reason to use it. the bear is more preditable.




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If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior

Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated. If you don't declare it and they
find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very,
very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few
precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates
are known to be. Second, stay in a group if you do need
or want to go there. Third, lock things up and have them
looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the
techniques you describe in your post.

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

not even close. a long time ago -- i.e. "old glass hull -- I fired a .22 into
fiberglass from a boat and the round went through almost as if it were
cardboard.

"JAXAshby" wrote

I fired a .22 into my MacGregor 26 M with a double hull
and the round went through almost as if it were
wet cardboard.

I saw a boat in Florida, built of thick fiberglass
without core.

It was at leat partially bulletproof. I saw pictures
which showed it stopped a .357 magnum. The pictures
showed radial cracks and a crater in the center, and
partial penetration. The owner/seller, offered to let
me take a shot at it if I agreed to fix the damage.
I don't know what sort of ammunition he used. I
could not tell if the bullet bounced or was embedded.


I expect a .223 ball round would penentrate it.


(JAXAshby) wrote

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

not even close. a long time ago -- i.e. "old glass hull -- I fired a .22 into
fiberglass from a boat and the round went through almost as if it were
cardboard.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated.

No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you
depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore
carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in
it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard,
waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of
retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio
Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons.

And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in
international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG.

Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect.



If you don't declare it and they
find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very,
very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few
precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates
are known to be.

Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And
pass up on something you wanted to do.


Second, stay in a group if you do need
or want to go there.

Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat.


Third, lock things up and have them
looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the
techniques you describe in your post.


4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice.

Gun control is knowing how to hit your target!

Joe


Joe



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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior