"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

Another endorsement for steel hulls!


And they will not have a chance to board my boat at night
without me knowing.

Joe




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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior


none wrote

the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask,
Do
you know you could get the first shot off without hestation?
I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them
in
foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely
to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from
the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under
which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a
killer in an instant.
dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they
could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three
soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee
being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation
that
starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less
civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as
well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get
my
gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case
the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner.
I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i
don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could".
rick

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote:

I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to
regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state
US
lines. Any links etc would be appreciated.

I mis-typed... that's what I meant to say. However, you still
won't have use of it.

As to the other stuff... who cares in international waters...
you need it in port. I can just imagine trying to shoot a pirate
with a bang stick.

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated.

No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you
depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore
carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in
it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard,
waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of
retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio
Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons.

And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in
international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG.

Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect.



If you don't declare it and they
find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very,
very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few
precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates
are known to be.

Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And
pass up on something you wanted to do.


Second, stay in a group if you do need
or want to go there.

Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat.


Third, lock things up and have them
looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the
techniques you describe in your post.


4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice.

Gun control is knowing how to hit your target!

Joe


Joe



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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

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www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...

I can just imagine trying to bang a pirate
with my stick.

(Joe) wrote

And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in
international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG.

Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect.

That is the one I want to get--or at least the attachments.

@ $690.00 for the linethrowing attachment alone, it's not cheap,
but it would be cheap if you needed it in a hurry, and the only
other option was a helicopter.

Bart

Really? A new dimension for you....

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I can just imagine trying to bang a pirate
with my stick.

I never go anywhere overnight without a gun. In fact we just bought our first
auto (we've just had 357s until now) We got a Beretta 92FS 9mm. If it's good
enough for the military it's good enough for us.

The Veridican

Ed, including the bank?

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"EdGordonRN" wrote in message
...
I never go anywhere overnight without a gun. In fact we just bought our
first
auto (we've just had 357s until now) We got a Beretta 92FS 9mm. If it's
good
enough for the military it's good enough for us.

The Veridican

Ed, including the bank?


Especially the bank! And the stupid convenience store down the road. I swear if
it gets 20 bucks in its till, I'm there with my gun.

The Veridican

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I mis-typed... that's what I meant to say. However, you still
won't have use of it.

Thats OK with a long gun. They are for underway anyway. You would be
suprised how easy it is to hide a Colt Pocket Pony.


As to the other stuff... who cares in international waters...

I mis-typed I wanted to say you can carry a line gun in any waters.
Its safety equipment and to take it would open up any country for a
major
lawsuit. But you better have the box of buckshot well hidden.


you need it in port. I can just imagine trying to shoot a pirate
with a bang stick.

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger, beats the hell out of
most
knifes. Not my favorite choice but you have to be willing to
improvise.

Joe




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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Sure, except that if you pull into a foreign port and declare
the gun, it'll be confiscated.

No it will not. Most time the Custom agent can hold it until you
depart the country. Many that fish along the Mexican border offshore
carry throw away shotguns. Usually pumps so all your ammo can be in
it. Pirates you unload on em, mexican police you toss em overboard,
waters to deep to scuba, so they will not go thru the hassle of
retreaving evidence. Not a good ideal in port, but down by the Rio
Grand the gulf is very deep for several reasons.

And you can keep a line throwong gun like this one onboard in
international waters. http://www.rirwin.com/images/teargas.JPG.

Then you have your compound bows, spearguns, bangsticks, ect.



If you don't declare it and they
find it, you'll go to prison. The chances of an attack is very,
very low, but one can make it even lower by taking a few
precautions. First one is don't go in areas where pirates
are known to be.

Thats fine if your willing to give in to terrorist and pirates. And
pass up on something you wanted to do.


Second, stay in a group if you do need
or want to go there.

Good ideal, someone has to guard your boat.


Third, lock things up and have them
looked like they're locked up. Fourth, use some of the
techniques you describe in your post.


4th, Have a gun and know how to use it. Pratice pratice practice.

Gun control is knowing how to hit your target!

Joe


Joe



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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
If you read the piracy reports, most pirates
don't even have guns. Machete's and knifes are the
common weapons. A gun against a group of poorly
armed pirates is a fair match. Pirates run from
fair matches and look for weaker targets.

Also, for piracy against sailboats, you are as
likely to encounter trouble in daytime as nightime.
Do you remember the man who had his throat cut
a few years ago, and left for dead? The pirates
stopped by to ask for wate--in daytime.

Joshua Slocom defeated pirates by spreading tacks
on his deck. It would not be hard to rig noise
makers to lifelines, or rig a higher tech alternative
to alert you. Also, if you have a crew it might
be a bad idea of keep a watch even at anchor in
dangerous locations.

There have been cases where unarmed people were
killed or left for dead. The choice is still yours.
You can chose to protect yourself or put your faith
in God. Chances are high you will never need a gun.
The risk is small but still finite and real.

I'd rather have along a shotgun that could serve
double duty as a line thrower and signalling device.
I'd use it for signaling for sure.

Bart

By the way, some of the older glass hulls can stop
a full load .357. One inch of fiberglass is stronger
than you think.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior

You stick it in his gut and pull the trigger ... Not my favorite choice ...

yeah, you are a killer many times over. two, three, sometimes four a week. and
that is just the men, the women you wing a bit to take their weapons from them.
chivalrous you.