I have a Mossberg 12 gauge. For your information, you can get special
shot designed for marine use to scare birds away. It's tracer plus
explosive. The same is also available in several pistol calibers.
Good for fishing.

TF wrote in message ...
A Glock 23 .40 and a Mossberg 12ga pump. I have the state carry permits, but
want to see if there are any additional carry/declare laws that apply to boats
I'm unaware of.

The 12ga is for fishing

TF wrote

I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to
regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US
lines. Any links etc would be appreciated.

If you consider that a boat is a residence, I think you can keep arms
aboard anywhere in the US. If you want to be sure, call the US Coast
Guard.

I've never heard of Coasties taking firearms from lawful owners.
However, if you wanted to bring a handgun, it would be good to have at
least one CCW permit. I'd recommend a gun Florida permit if you can't
get one in your home port state.

If you just carry the shotgun, I don't think you need any permit.

You might want to get the line-launcher attachment for the Mossberg
shotgun. I think a dual purpose safety device like that makes sense
for fishing.

Visit www.packing.org for more information.

Bart Senior

Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior


none wrote

the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask, Do
you know you could get the first shot off without hestation?
I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them in
foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely
to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from
the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under
which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a
killer in an instant.
dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they
could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three
soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee
being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation that
starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less
civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as
well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get my
gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case
the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner.
I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i
don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could".
rick

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote:

I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to
regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state US
lines. Any links etc would be appreciated.

Except that most pirates aren't interested in sailboats. Most
theives come aboard at night, when you're asleep. If you don't
confront them, they'll likely take the dink and keep going. If
you encounter a real pirate, the weapons they have will turn
your glass boat into Swiss Cheese.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
Sailors are known for planning ahead. If you
plan ahead enough to bring a gun, it seems
likely that you would be smart enough to
practice and be prepared to use it.

There are new types of ammunition that will
not penetrate a hull and would be suitable
for defense on a boat, and/or for signal use.

More than a few stories tell how sailors
fired a couple shots and scared off pirates.

If you run out on deck waving a gun, without any
sort of a plan, you will probably get killed
yourself.

If you are a sheepeople, don't bring a gun. If
you are leader, that is capable and responsible,
perhaps you might want to consider firearms
as a means to protect your loved ones.

Bart Senior


none wrote

the temptation to flame is too great...however,i am serious when i ask,
Do
you know you could get the first shot off without hestation?
I am no prude and own guns but i am torn when it comes to carrying them
in
foreign waters. The stats indicate that armed people are far more likely
to get hurt or killed by ther own weapons. We don't practice firing from
the hip on from instinct evry day..and fear is the worst situation under
which to learn and practice using your weapon. you can't learn to be a
killer in an instant.
dunno...just saying. and inspite of all the macho guys that "_say_" they
could kill to defend themslves in a heartbeat: in WWII only one in three
soldiers fired their weapons in battle! and these were guys that wee
being shot at! what do you think that number would be in a situation
that
starts out slowly and progresses to the point where you have to be less
civilized than the guy holding you up? 1 in 100 maybe. Remeber as
well...you don;t gey a chance to say "just a minute...i have to go get
my
gun from the cupboard". you have to be packing overtly and in that case
the guy with nothing to loose is the clear winner.
I am not being argumentative... i would really like to know. becaue i
don't think i could do it in spite of my ego saying "i could".
rick

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:18:31 GMT, TF wrote:

I'm looking for some cross-jurisdiction references relating to
regulations/laws for carrying firearms on a boat across coastal state
US
lines. Any links etc would be appreciated.

N1EE wrote:
If you consider that a boat is a residence, I think you can keep arms
aboard anywhere in the US. If you want to be sure, call the US Coast
Guard.

Definitely call. I'm pretty sure that a boat (live aboard or not) cannot
be considered to have the same Constitutional rights & protections that
a house & dry-land property have.


I've never heard of Coasties taking firearms from lawful owners.
However, if you wanted to bring a handgun, it would be good to have at
least one CCW permit. I'd recommend a gun Florida permit if you can't
get one in your home port state.

If you just carry the shotgun, I don't think you need any permit

Possibly not, but there are sure to be some communities that have an
equivalent of the Sullivan Act which would (in theory) make it illegal
to have *any* gun aboard when passing through.

Another issue is that many authorities take a very dim view of people
going around armed. In many places they come aboard and poke around
asking nosy questions, and consider it their job. It is sure to be
inconvenient at least to have them take an interest in your weapons.
I've heard of many cases where local authorities simply confiscated
guns, or required them to be taken to a gov't facility stored in bond
and then became mysteriously missing when called for.


You might want to get the line-launcher attachment for the Mossberg
shotgun. I think a dual purpose safety device like that makes sense
for fishing.

A line throwing gun would be a great capability to add to a cruiser. You
can also get line-throwing attachments for most .308 (7mm NATO) rifles.


Visit www.packing.org for more information.

Thanks for the link. You've given a lot of good info, Bart.

Regards
Doug King

JAXAshby wrote:
the 12 ga you can get a permit to bring in. the pistol, too, if the barrel

is

long enough.


No, you can't

Cheers
Marty



here ya go dude.

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_...ts/visitin.asp

that's a start. that site doesn't mention protection from wildlife, but the
canadian site does. I just didn't spend any time looking for it.


Reading comprehension problems again? I wrote "you", we have a strict policy against
allowing sociopaths to enter the country, armed or not.

Cheers
Marty

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:01:21 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote:

JAXAshby wrote:
snip...
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_...ts/visitin.asp
that's a start. that site doesn't mention protection from wildlife,
but the
canadian site does. I just didn't spend any time looking for it.

Reading comprehension problems again? I wrote "you", we have a strict
policy against
allowing sociopaths to enter the country, armed or not.

Cheers
Marty

I 'guess' i can see the logic of 'packing' in the US where many other
packer's are and where you are 100:1 more likley to be gunned down cf
Canada...But the argument wears mighty thin regarding packing in Canada
where you have to try hard to find a reason to do so ....drug smokin
hippies, shady cops, mean animals, commie *******s.. other
'un-enlightened' Americans...which one gives you such concern that you
would try to kill them?

The right to bear arms [and risk a sunburn] applies only to certain states
with those United States and has no pluck anywhere else in the world. Just
don't visit Canada if you feel the need to have a person killing m,achine
on your person. The cops are SO antigun here that a 911 call metioning
the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the perps...whereas pulling a
pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat to death.
IMHO
rick
rick

none wrote:

The cops are SO antigun here that a
911 call metioning the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the
perps...whereas pulling a pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat
to death.
IMHO
rick
rick

Exactly Rick, if Jax had bothered to read his link he would have seen
that the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted
weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a recognized
shooting competition. Tooting around in your sail boat with one just doesn't cut
it.

I am sure that if the authorities (police, coasties, customs inspectors ...) were
to board your vessel and find any sort of firearm onboard, would go pretty much
ballistic. If it were a hand gun the story would probably make the front page of the
National Post.
Cheers
Marty

sounds like a bunch of sissy-girl wimps up there.

Scotty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
none wrote:

The cops are SO antigun here that a
911 call metioning the word GUN will brign the wrath of god on the
perps...whereas pulling a pistol from a a shaky hand will get you beat
to death.
IMHO
rick
rick

Exactly Rick, if Jax had bothered to read his link he would have seen
that the only circumstance that might allow a bringing a restricted
weapon (all handguns) into the country would be participation in a
recognized
shooting competition. Tooting around in your sail boat with one just
doesn't cut
it.

I am sure that if the authorities (police, coasties, customs inspectors
....) were
to board your vessel and find any sort of firearm onboard, would go pretty
much
ballistic. If it were a hand gun the story would probably make the front
page of the
National Post.
Cheers
Marty

Scott Vernon wrote:

sounds like a bunch of sissy-girl wimps up there.


We've got more guns per capita than 'mericans, but we don't
use them the same way you do.

Cheers
Marty