"Jim Cate" wrote in message regarding Mac26M

| snip very few of the new model have been sold to
| sailors who are into competitive racing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!! !

Want to try.... NONE!??????


CM

So much nonsense here Jim. You're really having trouble with reality.

Even after I pointed out that I had prefaced my quotes with a comment that they
were taken from the 26X list and applied to that boat, you still insist I'm
trying to mislead. I don't think anyone was misled; but you keep claiming I'm
lying. This calls for an apology, and an admission that you have trouble with
the concept of reality.

Which brings us to your posting titled "Mac PHRF lowered to 135." If that
isn't buying it hook, line and sinker, I don't know what is. You say you asked
for verification, but you didn't even provide a link. Even after people said it
was absurd you claimed:

"In fact, it was
recently stated on the Mac discussion group that the PHRF of the Mac 26x
has recently been lowered from over 200 to 135. If the boat is as slow
as you say, how did it get a PHRF of 135? (And if you should disagree
with this or if you want to question the accuracy of this statement,
give us a web site or reference sources on which we can check out
whatever you claim it is.)"

In other words, even though you weren't giving a source, you were claiming its
true and challenging everyone to disprove it. Even after admitting it was a
hoax, you were claiming the rating is 175.

As for racing,, I only mention it because you've stated a number of times that
they are "competitive" with other boats. Given the large number produced, one
might expect to find some record of a race they've participated in. There is no
such record for the 26M, and only scanty record for the 26X. If you really have
talked to someone who races them, you should be able to tell what rating they
enjoy.

And once again I say the your claim that "the factory cannot keep up with the
demand" is total nonsense. You're getting yours in 6 weeks - that's pretty much
"off the shelf." More BS from you.

About the top speed- you're the one that keeps claiming you can do 18 knots,
even thought the factory site admits that is not possible in a "real life"
situation. I haven't been making this stuff up - I've just been trying to keep
you honest by reporting what the factory and owners have said. Now you're
claiming you didn't say it, but you made the following statements:

"Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat."

"I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, "

"Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots"

"Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18
knots under power."

Now its been stated, even my you, that these speeds are not achievable with a
normal configuration. The figure of 18 knots did not even include mast, sails,
rigging, food, water, gear, full fuel, or more that one (very thin) person. To
repeat the claims over and other shows the "intellectual dishonestly" you
attribute to others. In reality, most owners of the 26X report 10 to 12 knots
(less if there's a chop). There's no reason to believe the 26M is substantially
faster.

Some of your comments I don't know what to make of - you seem to responding to
your own comments. It really seems this ordeal has gotten the better of you.
In fact, at the end you took my quote from Roger MacGregor (about the 26X) and
changed his words from "limited coastal sailing" to :limited coastal cruising."
Then you came back and claimed this was all from the hoax poster. In reality I
took the quote verbatim from the Practical Sailor review. Let me repeat the
full quote and my comments, since they are at the heart of this issue:

This is why Roger MacGregor said, "The 26 was designed for typical small
cruising boat use-inland waters and limited coastal sailing." By "limited," I
think he's saying one should stay close to safe refuge, and watch the weather
very, very carefully. Note that he didn't use the word "cruising" which implies
longer voyages.

Sure, in your dreams.

40+ gust - 27 steady
33+ av - 50+ peak
35 av (a full gale) - 52 gusts.

I maintain, at 35 knt wind speed a dinghy is out of the range of
managability. Anyone who says otherwise has either never sailed in such
winds or is a braggard.

Just as a matter of record, Doug what is your club policy on wind
strength for abandoning dinghy races?


Cheers

DSK wrote:


My wife and I have raced the Johnson 18 several times in 30+ and twice
won regattas where the wind was measured 33 steady and 40+ peak. This
was in racing mode, playing shifts and tactics, rather than survival
mode. Would you call that "in the range of manageability?"

OK you're a braggard.

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:35:11 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:


Sure, in your dreams.

40+ gust - 27 steady
33+ av - 50+ peak
35 av (a full gale) - 52 gusts.

I maintain, at 35 knt wind speed a dinghy is out of the range of
managability. Anyone who says otherwise has either never sailed in such
winds or is a braggard.

Just as a matter of record, Doug what is your club policy on wind
strength for abandoning dinghy races?



Call me a braggard ...but...
We won a heat of an Oz champs in dinghys in conditions that built
quickly from around 25 at the start to 35+ after only a few minutes.
It was hard work but managable..we were a full leg ahead by the top
mark the second time..carried a kite on both downwind legs then backed
off and cruised to victory.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

*******!

OzOne wrote


Call me a braggard ...but...
We won a heat of an Oz champs in dinghys in conditions that built
quickly from around 25 at the start to 35+ after only a few minutes.
It was hard work but managable..we were a full leg ahead by the top
mark the second time..carried a kite on both downwind legs then backed
off and cruised to victory.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Oh! sorry, didn't have my glasses on. Old age sucks.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:33:36 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

*******!

No Scootz, that was BRAGGARD, not ******* ;-)

OzOne wrote


Call me a braggard ...but...
We won a heat of an Oz champs in dinghys in conditions that built
quickly from around 25 at the start to 35+ after only a few minutes.
It was hard work but managable..we were a full leg ahead by the top
mark the second time..carried a kite on both downwind legs then backed
off and cruised to victory.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!!!

25 knots is indeed a walk in the park!!.... and I sail on the Atlantic off
Nova Scotia.

CM

"Veridican" wrote in message
...
| I don't understand
| where Ed is coming from with this stuff...he has said he sailed small
lakes
|
| I sail on the ocean, and I've sailed in 25 knot winds. Anyone who acts
like
| that is a walk in the park doesn't sail; they only talk about it.
|
| The Veridican

35 knots is not anywhere near "survival conditions".... it's a good breeze
and a fast passage. My boat is dry at 35 knots. I start getting a teeny
antsy when it tops 45 knots with a double reefed main and 100% jib.....
it's nowhere near scary though. I've been in winds gusting to 55 knots on
the lake... with a triple reefed main and storm jib we made less than
spectacular progress to windward but the gusts weren't knocking us down
either. The best I've done is downwind in 40 knots with full main and 150
genoa..... wing on wing ......and we blew through the reefed down, broad
reaching race fleet like they were standing still. The fleet consisted of
Niagara 35, C&C 27s, Tanzer 27, Frasier 42, Catalina 27s, a home built Tri,
Contessa 32, Alberg 26..... at the 15 mile mark I had a 2 mile lead and was
the second last to cross the start line.

None of the 3 Mac26Xs in Yellowknife competed. Even they weren't that
stupid.

CM


"Veridican" wrote in message
...
| Jeff,
|
| You say 25 knots is more like a jog in the park and 35 is survival
conditions,
| and then you say it's no big deal. 25 knots is 21 mph sustained. It's a
force 6
| wind. In a cruising boat, you should be in harnesses and reefed. In a
dinghy
| you shouldn't go out at all. I'm not saying it can't be fun, but don't
make it
| sound like it's a normal sailing experience. To use your own words, It's a
jog
| in the park.
|
| The Veridican

Eggs?

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

Oh! sorry, didn't have my glasses on. Old age sucks.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message ...

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:33:36 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


*******!

No Scootz, that was BRAGGARD, not ******* ;-)

OzOne wrote

Call me a braggard ...but...
We won a heat of an Oz champs in dinghys in conditions that built
quickly from around 25 at the start to 35+ after only a few minutes.
It was hard work but managable..we were a full leg ahead by the top
mark the second time..carried a kite on both downwind legs then backed
off and cruised to victory.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:

Call me a braggard ...but...


NO WAY! I just read a thread where you were *humble*.

How could they both be truth?

LP